FAVOR 3000 32 point Drow

[Murderface]

its about time someone does something about drow
for everything besides caster they stink
i mean of course a good player might make them shine but same player same class different race will probably be better off being just that more effective

Drows in PnP have a Bonus in Cha and Int, also the same racial bonus for dex and penalty in con. They also have other goodies best of which is SR at level 1 they receive 11 +1 for every level they receive there after. Not to mention SR is very different in pnp because it blocks almost every or every spell type damage spells evadable or direct. Which should show that they do have a substantial weakness in ddo, coupled with the fact that you cannot make a 32 point drow which makes elves superior to drow on basicly every other class besides arcane spell caster.

Id just like to see something done with them, without making it better via enhancements. a 32 point drow makes sense. As well it makes sense to me since you they were unlocked with favor, and 32 point was unlocked with favor. That 32 point drows should be indeed put up to 32 and have a fair chance to shine as a different class besides trap monkey, or arcane

Right now there is no reason to play one other then for RP purposes. you get funny looks if you play a full bab drow and that needs to change.

[Uska]

NO drow are fine you want a 30 pt drow just TR you want a 32pt drow do it twice.

[Arkat]

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[Calebro]

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You gave me gonorrhea and you didn't even tell me!

[AZgreentea]

You just cant give this topic up, can you Murderface?

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
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A Drow is a 32 point build, its just not one you can control.

[Visty]

32pt dros exist, just TR twice
making normal 32pts available to drow would just make the same thing as 3 years ago as drow got introduced

other then that drows are also good for twf dps palas, so not only for casters ( nad not even for casters they are the best al lthe time)

[Murderface]

32pt dros exist, just TR twice
making normal 32pts available to drow would just make the same thing as 3 years ago as drow got introduced

other then that drows are also good for twf dps palas, so not only for casters ( nad not even for casters they are the best al lthe time)

a double tr 1.9 + 3.2 + 4.4 = 9.5 million xp for a 32 point drow? thats a little insane dont you think, and it still does not change the fact that a 36 point elf would be superior in most cases.

[Visty]

a double tr 1.9 + 3.2 + 4.4 = 9.5 million xp for a 32 point drow? thats a little insane dont you think, and it still does not change the fact that a 36 point elf would be superior in most cases.

would you be more for it if the max lvl a drow could get would be 18? cause then you can have your 32pt from start, thats called level adjustment

[Murderface]

Well its just sad to me. then give me the xp penalty without the tr then. I so very much liked my Warlock drow in nwn2 alot of fun to put 10 points in dex and cha and come out with stats, 14 str, 12 con, 18 dex, 10 int, 8 wis 18 cha
make it 3500 favor give me the xp penalty similar to a second tr dont make me grind out 2 other freakin characters.

[Calebro]

Drow also make excellent Paladins. So let's see....
They make good Paladins, Rogues, Sorcerers, Wizards, Bards, and many flavor builds benefit from their racial bonuses. That's almost 50% of the classes. Doesn't sound too bad to me....

The fact of the matter is that Drow are a poor man's 32 point build. Everyone gets excited when they unlock Drow and rush off to roll one. Giving them more build points at start will make them surpass all other races in terms of general power, which will lead to everyone wanting to play them (with the exception of fanatics, ie WF etc).

You think the Dragontouched Armor Squad sucks? Wait and see what happens when it's the Drow Dragontouched Armor Squad if they decide to listen to this request.

Clone armies FTW!

[Newtons_Apple]

its about time someone does something about drow
for everything besides caster they stink
i mean of course a good player might make them shine but same player same class different race will probably be better off being just that more effective

Drows in PnP have a Bonus in Cha and Int, also the same racial bonus for dex and penalty in con. They also have other goodies best of which is SR at level 1 they receive 11 +1 for every level they receive there after. Not to mention SR is very different in pnp because it blocks almost every or every spell type damage spells evadable or direct. Which should show that they do have a substantial weakness in ddo, coupled with the fact that you cannot make a 32 point drow which makes elves superior to drow on basicly every other class besides arcane spell caster.

Id just like to see something done with them, without making it better via enhancements. a 32 point drow makes sense. As well it makes sense to me since you they were unlocked with favor, and 32 point was unlocked with favor. That 32 point drows should be indeed put up to 32 and have a fair chance to shine as a different class besides trap monkey, or arcane

Right now there is no reason to play one other then for RP purposes. you get funny looks if you play a full bab drow and that needs to change.

a double tr 1.9 + 3.2 + 4.4 = 9.5 million xp for a 32 point drow? thats a little insane dont you think, and it still does not change the fact that a 36 point elf would be superior in most cases.

It seems a bit insane to me to ask for a meh bonus to a meh race for 3k favor.

I don't know what would be good for 3k, but it isn't the above.

[Alexkawasaki7]

a double tr 1.9 + 3.2 + 4.4 = 9.5 million xp for a 32 point drow? thats a little insane dont you think, and it still does not change the fact that a 36 point elf would be superior in most cases.

Probably as easy as 3k favor isn't it?

[Impaqt]

They also make Excellent Rogues.

SS and Rapiers are Very good weapons. Especially if your going to go dex/Weapon Finesse.

I think they should get their Natrual SR as per PnP. SPending Action points on a Natrual ability is asinine. Especially when the best SR you can get is substantially worse than a low level wearable.

[gavagai]

The main problems for Drow are:

-- Drow get +2 in three stats, but only get stat enhancements for one (Dex). So their racial "advantage," unlike other race's, diminishes over time. (i.e. Human Adaptability). Further, no class has one of INT/DEX/CHA as a primary stat and as a secondary stat, unless it is a highly flavorful rogue or arcane build, so a +2 in those 3 stats is never equite as good as, say a +4 in 1 stat. The -2 stat (CON) is commonly the secondary stat, so it doubly stinks.

-- Their enhancements pretty much stink, including...

-- Their SR is irrelevant beyond level 10.


Easy fixes for Drow:

-- Create exclusive enhancement lines for either DEX, CHA, or INT. This way, their stat advantage would scale along with the benefits other races receive, making them useful for more builds.

-- Improve their enhancements.* Improve the Elven Arcane Fluidity to be more economical (12AP for -10% ASF???!!!). As masters of elemental channeling (*poke* Sultanar *poke*), give them a fire resist line or bonus fire damage line. Or give them a poison melee attack boost. Something.

-- Fix the SR to scale with level. For instance, start SR at Level +4, and have each tier of the enhancement line give +3.

* Please Devs, don't fall into the trap of thinking that the Scorpion Wraith PrE is going to relieve the need to balance Drow enhancements. Scorp Wraith will itself be balanced across other classes, and will probably need to include high costs in order to make it powerful enough to be effective. Requiring all Drows to take the PrE line to get basic improvements to their enhancements will make most Drow characters worse, not better, since they'll be stretched more thinly with their feats and enhancements.