Embrace Change

[Levit]

This game has been around for over 4 years now and I'm guessing that the population that has been around since beta has greatly diminished. Very few folk remember when level 10 was the cap and ransacking the chests in Thernal was a good way of making loot (Co6 too).

What is really sad is that the few that are left from beta have rounded the wagons and islolated themselves from the wave of new players that are coming to the game. They have formed tight knit social circles that have little room for new talent or even a chance to see the new talent out there.

If this were the workplace, the senior members of the staff would take the kid fresh from college under his/her wing and mentor them, passing on their institutional knowledge and also job related experiences, knowing that college can only teach so much and that there is nothing better than "On the Job Training".

Why should DDO be much different? I often read about 6 manning this or that raid. Why not open it up for a couple of folks that normally would never get a chance at some raids? Another cleric or bard can't mess a raid up that much, and if you are uber, you should be able to overcome their inexperience.

Who knows, maybe the person you invite is the next Spisey, Tink or Hefty? Or maybe they are that guy that will always be willing to run his cleric and be healbot for ya.

I know this may sound far fetched but maybe Agronnesen can get a reputation as a place where new players are felt welcomed and we can improve the quality of players, instead of just complaining about them.

BTW, I happen to be someone who has been around a while, tends to pug almost entirely, and belongs to no chat channels whatsoever so I have some ground to speak from.

[Visty]

when you try to mentor ppl and those ppl dont listen and whipe your parties, then you wont mentor new ppl anymore
the problem arent the vets here, neither the newbs, its the noobs

[Original]

Good Idea... all new players can go to your server.. make it be known.

[Philam]

bah hum-bug!

Ph

[Levit]

when you try to mentor ppl and those ppl dont listen and whipe your parties, then you wont mentor new ppl anymore
the problem arent the vets here, neither the newbs, its the noobs

So you are saying that a level 18 cleric that has done the prereq's for an abbot or Tod and is invited into a group with 8-10 vets won't listen to directions and will wipe a party? Or are you talking about the 3-4 TR's that are speed running Deleras for xp and invite someone in to show the ropes to him? I guess he could wipe a group too.

Do better than that. That is what dismiss is for. I've run with very good new players that have great twitch skills from other games and are just lacking the quest/mechanics knowledge of this game.

I don't disagree that there are folks who are coming to the game to just try it out and screw around but I think they are the minority.

[totmacher]

my god, i hope the next person i invite isn't the next tink spisey or hefty. those are some god awful players

[Visty]

So you are saying that a level 18 cleric that has done the prereq's for an abbot or Tod and is invited into a group with 8-10 vets won't listen to directions and will wipe a party? Or are you talking about the 3-4 TR's that are speed running Deleras for xp and invite someone in to show the ropes to him? I guess he could wipe a group too.

Do better than that. That is what dismiss is for. I've run with very good new players that have great twitch skills from other games and are just lacking the quest/mechanics knowledge of this game.

I don't disagree that there are folks who are coming to the game to just try it out and screw around but I think they are the minority.

everyone can get to 18 easily, prerequesits are piked easily, TR is done easily too, that means exactly nothing

seems like you werent here for some time

also you cant dismiss them if they are already inside the quest

[Levit]

my god, i hope the next person i invite isn't the next tink spisey or hefty. those are some god awful players

Alrighty, the next Tot! Better?

[Levit]

everyone can get to 18 easily, prerequesits are piked easily, TR is done easily too, that means exactly nothing

seems like you werent here for some time

also you cant dismiss them if they are already inside the quest

Dude, do you read your own stuff? If you wiped, wouldn't the quest be done? C'mon, quit pointing to the splinter in my eye when there is a tree in your's.

[Visty]

Dude, do you read your own stuff? If you wiped, wouldn't the quest be done? C'mon, quit pointing to the splinter in my eye when there is a tree in your's.

have you logged on since sep09?

€: so, whos the coward giving me neg rep for this?
speak up if you have something to say

[Levit]

have you logged on since sep09?

Nope, first time since September, 09. Thought it would be cool to type something that I know nothing about so others can point out how little I know. You saw right through me! Bet nobody fooled you on April Fools Day.

[kaelis]

In the work force you can fire idiots. In ddo we can't perma ban them all so we must instead ignore them as best we can.

[Lerincho]

as someone that has been here for 5 years, the comparison to the work place is bogus.

F2P are here because it's free. they think they know the game and wont listen, on majority, and there for cause more frustration. there are a few new players that are willing to listen and learn, but those individuals are very far and few in between.

When too many people have tried to help them, failed and because they cannot be kicked while in dungeons when someone out of frustration just finishes the quest they gain the XP. Instead of holding the unwilling to listen individual accountable people breeze them through to get their dealings with them over with, so they never learn differently except "hey these people are easy to tag along with".

[Thucydides04]

This game has been around for over 4 years now and I'm guessing that the population that has been around since beta has greatly diminished. Very few folk remember when level 10 was the cap and ransacking the chests in Thernal was a good way of making loot (Co6 too).

What is really sad is that the few that are left from beta have rounded the wagons and islolated themselves from the wave of new players that are coming to the game. They have formed tight knit social circles that have little room for new talent or even a chance to see the new talent out there.

If this were the workplace, the senior members of the staff would take the kid fresh from college under his/her wing and mentor them, passing on their institutional knowledge and also job related experiences, knowing that college can only teach so much and that there is nothing better than "On the Job Training".

Why should DDO be much different? I often read about 6 manning this or that raid. Why not open it up for a couple of folks that normally would never get a chance at some raids? Another cleric or bard can't mess a raid up that much, and if you are uber, you should be able to overcome their inexperience.

Who knows, maybe the person you invite is the next Spisey, Tink or Hefty? Or maybe they are that guy that will always be willing to run his cleric and be healbot for ya.

I know this may sound far fetched but maybe Agronnesen can get a reputation as a place where new players are felt welcomed and we can improve the quality of players, instead of just complaining about them.

BTW, I happen to be someone who has been around a while, tends to pug almost entirely, and belongs to no chat channels whatsoever so I have some ground to speak from.

Here is the thing that I (and presumably most vets) take issue with: It was never easy in the beginning. When I started playing (which was much later than most of the "vets" around here) nobody showed me how to run quests or build toons etc. Instead, I had to figure things out, which meant that I had to run in some terrible pugs and receive reprimand for not having some item and so on. Hell, I didn't even complete VoD until I built my own tank for the raid. The main point I think is that most of thye good players had to suffer through the process I just described in order to get where they are now. Furthermore, I view this process as a sort of weeding out process, where if you are good enough to build some toons and learn some quests without the help of a bunch of good players, then you are likely to be a contributor to the group. Just like every other group that runs a quest, vets want contributors not individuals who will be a detriment to the group.

As far as PUGing goes, I know that the people I run with do PUG from time to time when we need a certain class or an extra body to pull some levers or w/e. When we do PUG, that is YOUR opportunity to make yourself known as a good player. If you do a good job, maybe next time we send you a tell and invite you instead of throwing up the LFM and after a bit of that you get into static groups. Furthermore, as a special side note, most of the people I run with are looking for certain loot, and when that loot drops they don't want to give it to some PUG, it doesn't help the static group for a PUG who (in nearly all cases) piked most of the quest to end up with our raid loot.

[Mr_Ed7]

if you are uber, you should be able to overcome their inexperience.

Right!? If you are so uber...then consider it a challenge to get the noobs through!

Imagine if Gandalf & Aragorn did not take the Hobbits...'cause they were'nt experienced!

I know this may sound far fetched but maybe Agronnesen can get a reputation as a place where new players are felt welcomed and we can improve the quality of players, instead of just complaining about them.

I am trying over here on my end! Thankless job it is!

[Lerincho]

I know this may sound far fetched but maybe Agronnesen can get a reputation as a place where new players are felt welcomed and we can improve the quality of players, instead of just complaining about them.

we took this before the tribal council... they said do not bother them with such pedestrian ways of thinking.

[Rav'n]

Since TRing my main, I've PuGed almost every quest. I've been fortunate to run with a few Channel/Guild players for an hour or two of Grind sessions... but 80% has been pugs.

I've had Good PuGs, I had bad. Way back at level 3 I was being told (by Noobs) that since I was a Bard, I should Buff, stay back and help the Healers. ROFL!! Two days ago in a Gwylan run a Rogue was miffed because I wasn't healing him. ROFL!!! I've also been booted from parties by Noobs who didn't like that their "Awesomekill" Dwarf Barbarian had half the kills as my Bard 1 level below his...

On the flip side... I ran with a few people that were new, said they'd only been playing a few weeks. They listened to advide (of course... I think the Clerics only listened because I'd hand them a stack of heal Scrolls...) and are now on my Friends list.

I don't think I'll cirlcle the wagons just yet... but I agree with others... there's a LOT of bad players out there that have NO clue how to play... and just "SHOUT" in chat if you don'tdo things their way.

[Rav'n]

Imagine if Gandalf & Aragorn did not take the Hobbits...'cause they were'nt experienced!

Then I wouldn't have to skip thru the Hobbit scenes whenever i watch LoTR's!!

[dunklezhan]

Then I wouldn't have to skip thru the Hobbit scenes whenever i watch LoTR's!!

Gandalf really should have just asked the eagles to drop the **** ring in Mount Doom. Would have saved everyone a lot of angst and let Sam and Frodo get with the strawberry bubble bath much sooner. Bow chicka wow-wow....

On topic, believe you me, even with all us tarred-with-the-same-brush freemium players now destroying with our craptastic playing your pristine-and-oh-so hardcore-game-that-wouldn't-exist-anymore-without-us... (sorry for the sarcasm but some of the outright jealousy on display by certain vets is quite disturbing)... yes, even with all of that, DDO still has a way better, more open & friendly community than any other game I've played. Don't play Argo down OP, people are still pretty friendly here in my exp.

[Rav'n]

Don't play Argo down OP, people are still pretty friendly here in my exp.

We obviously didn't run together this week...