CC+healing build, NEED advice.

[Dridien]

I want to make a healer... but i don't mean someone that just stands back and spams heals (IE healbot). i want to be preventing damage more than I'm restoring it, but i was only really able to find 1 post that had an acceptable build for this, and it was only a general guide rather than an actual build, so i made this based off the Pure-classed Offensive Caster Cleric build in Cleric Build Catalog 2010.

My main focus is CC while throwing out a damage spell every now and than, than healing what damage i wasn't able to outright prevent. The problem is i am a newb both to the game and cleric class, so have no idea if i screwed this up or not, so i really need advice about it.

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Dridien Nydaral
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 1652 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 5
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               18                    27
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0.5                  10
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         7                    26
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  4                     8
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  0                     0
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble               -0.5                  -0.5
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 8 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 12 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing III


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I

To save room, all ability increases go to wis, and all skill boosts go to concentration and balance.

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

You are missing a feat at level 12. I am not fond of hieghten but that is your choice I prefer greater spell focus in one of the areas you plan on casting most. Only things i would change would be to spend less in heal, listen and spot and add it to jump. Clerics jump like bricks so a little points spent in it help. Also buy yourself a +2 tome as soon as possible (level 8?) and get as high as possible +6 wisdom item for spell penetration. Other than that it looks ok.

[Dridien]

Thank you for catching that i missed a feat at 12. like i said i am new, so i was just planning to get a tome as soon as i could, not exactly plan on it. i didnt actually spend anything in heal listen or spot, those just raised from my wisdom raising.

I added Empower Healing to the build and moved some feats around, but other than that i didnt change anything. heres the new build.

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Dridien Nydaral
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 1652 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 5
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               18                    27
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0.5                  10
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         7                    26
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  4                     8
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  0                     0
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble               -0.5                  -0.5
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 8 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing III


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I

Thank you for your help.

[rendet]

your feats look good to me. glad you took the spell penn feats later on since you wont need them until vale. Heighten is a great feat for offensive casting if you want your hold monster or greater command to still work at end game.

your stat placement works great for a 28 point build and if it ever gets to be a 32 i'd recommend putting the extra 4 points into strength.

My advice is drop divine vitality and the smiting enhancements (unless you are really going to use the smiting spells a lot) and take a the empower healing enhancements to lower you cost of empower heal. 6sp for 50% increase in all your healing spells is awsome. Also, you didnt take you cleric capstone enhancement.

[Rusty_Can]

I am not fond of hieghten but that is your choice I prefer greater spell focus in one of the areas you plan on casting most.

Tbh, Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus feats without Heighten don't really make any sense. If you are going to cast offensive spells, Heighten is (almost) compulsory.

To the OP: your build looks good. I would only change the alignment: chaotic good doesn't really bring anything to your build; almost any other option would be preferable.

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

Tbh, Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus feats without Heighten don't really make any sense. If you are going to cast offensive spells, Heighten is (almost) compulsory.

To the OP: your build looks good. I would only change the alignment: chaotic good doesn't really bring anything to your build; almost any other option would be preferable.

I could be wrong here but my understanding of hieghten is that allows a caster to cast spells at thier highest allowable level, so if a spell says it can do 1d6 damage up to 15d6 at level 15 then what is the point once you are past the cap? With Focus you are adding +1 and then +1 for greater focus, allowing you to cast higher than your current level ie at level 20 its 22. Hieghten IMO is only good for lower levels while focus works for all levels. As I said I could be reading it wrong so maybe someone with more experience will be able to explain it better or correct me if I am wrong.

Have fun.

[rendet]

Heighten shines when using lower level spells as It makes their Dc's harder to resist. Divine casters are generally going to use it for DC pumping as opposed to increasing the damage output. Spell focus feats are good for a few spells and add +1 dc to those spells and +0 to all of your other spells whereas heighten adds much more the lower the level of the spell. For examble, heighten adds a +4 to the dc to resist greater command where as enchantment focus would only add +1. +7 to hold monster dc, +3 to blade barrier etc. Also, you would have to take another feat in necromancy focus to increase the dc of your destruction by 1 whereas heighten would increase it by 2. In summary, if you care about spell dc's enough to take evocation focus etc. then you should first take heighten and then see if you are struggling to land spells. IMO its harder to break spell resistance in vale/amrath than land the actual spell.

[Rusty_Can]

I could be wrong here but my understanding of hieghten is that allows a caster to cast spells at thier highest allowable level, so if a spell says it can do 1d6 damage up to 15d6 at level 15 then what is the point once you are past the cap? With Focus you are adding +1 and then +1 for greater focus, allowing you to cast higher than your current level ie at level 20 its 22.

I think I spotted your mistake: none of the feats we are discussing (Heighten, Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus) directly increases the damage output of spells; all of them work on their DC, i.e. on how difficult they are to resist. Many damage spells allow some kind of save to receive half damage instead of full; if foes save against crowd control spells, they are not affected; and so on.

What Rendet says here is right: if you care about DC of your spells (and you care so much you are getting Focus and Greater Focus feats), then you should get Heighten first of all.

Heighten shines when using lower level spells as It makes their Dc's harder to resist. Divine casters are generally going to use it for DC pumping as opposed to increasing the damage output. Spell focus feats are good for a few spells and add +1 dc to those spells and +0 to all of your other spells whereas heighten adds much more the lower the level of the spell. For examble, heighten adds a +4 to the dc to resist greater command where as enchantment focus would only add +1. +7 to hold monster dc, +3 to blade barrier etc. Also, you would have to take another feat in necromancy focus to increase the dc of your destruction by 1 whereas heighten would increase it by 2. In summary, if you care about spell dc's enough to take evocation focus etc. then you should first take heighten and then see if you are struggling to land spells.

If you check all the caster builds (wizards, sorcerers, clerics, bards) on the forums, you will see that all of them take Heighten; only few of them (usually wizards, which have feats to spare) manage to take Focus and Greater Focus in some schools.

[Fenrisulven6]

The problem is i am a newb both to the game and cleric class

If you're on Thelanis, contact the Silver Flame Chapterhouse Guild. They hook up new clerics with gear.

[Dridien]

Thank you very much for the advice, i took rendet's advice about dropping smiting for improved empower healing (though i only got 1 point of it, since i was just taking smiting to fill requirements, and i noticed 1 point would have been enough).

I'm on Argonessa but thank you for informing me of the guild.

Since it kinda messes up the chargen to go back and just get rid of an enhancement, i remade the build in the chargen, so heres the new one

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Dridion Nydaral
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 1652 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 5
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               18                    27
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                     9
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         7                    26
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  4                     9
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  0                     0
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                0                     0
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 8 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing III


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II

Thank you very much for the advice, its helping so much.

[Lymnus]

Thank you very much for the advice, i took rendet's advice about dropping smiting for improved empower healing (though i only got 1 point of it, since i was just taking smiting to fill requirements, and i noticed 1 point would have been enough).

I'm on Argonessa but thank you for informing me of the guild.

Since it kinda messes up the chargen to go back and just get rid of an enhancement, i remade the build in the chargen, so heres the new one

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Dridion Nydaral
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 1652 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 5
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    10
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               18                    27
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                     9
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         7                    26
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  4                     9
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  0                     0
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                0                     0
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 8 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II


Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II


Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing III


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III


Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II

Thank you very much for the advice, its helping so much.

Just quoting the build I'm looking over.

Your alignment should be True Neutral. TN lets you cast all spells (Some spells, like the level 4 alignment based spells, are restricted based on your character's alignment), but that's not such a big deal. TN lets you wear Taint of Evil items without suffering a negative level, which can be very nice. Also, TN let you take less damage from alignment based spell (Remember those unholy-damage arrows from the Desert? Not so threatening).

For your skills, dip one point at first level into Tumble, rest into Balance. Little detail, but it lets you tumble around in places like Stormreaver. Not really a big deal, though.

Mental Toughness isn't exactly worth a feat. Approximately 100 SP is really just a drop in the bucket at end game, so to speak. It's not bad to have at lower levels, but just make sure you respec out of it around level 15.

Toughness is sort of debatable. It's not a bad feat by any means. However, I think that we might be able to do better.

When you say Crowd Control, what are you focusing on? As in, what spells are you using? Cometfall? Blade Barrier? Greater Command? Hold Person? What are you specializing in? If we had a better idea of that, we could help a bit more.

[Dridien]

Just quoting the build I'm looking over.

Your alignment should be True Neutral. TN lets you cast all spells (Some spells, like the level 4 alignment based spells, are restricted based on your character's alignment), but that's not such a big deal. TN lets you wear Taint of Evil items without suffering a negative level, which can be very nice. Also, TN let you take less damage from alignment based spell (Remember those unholy-damage arrows from the Desert? Not so threatening).

For your skills, dip one point at first level into Tumble, rest into Balance. Little detail, but it lets you tumble around in places like Stormreaver. Not really a big deal, though.

Mental Toughness isn't exactly worth a feat. Approximately 100 SP is really just a drop in the bucket at end game, so to speak. It's not bad to have at lower levels, but just make sure you respec out of it around level 15.

Toughness is sort of debatable. It's not a bad feat by any means. However, I think that we might be able to do better.

When you say Crowd Control, what are you focusing on? As in, what spells are you using? Cometfall? Blade Barrier? Greater Command? Hold Person? What are you specializing in? If we had a better idea of that, we could help a bit more.

Didn't know that about the alignments, i just picked chaotic good because it sounded cool and was hesitating changing it since i made the char, but I'm definitely gonna remake now that i know that, thank you very much.

I don't actually know which spells I'm gonna be using at higher levels since well... I've never seen high levels, so sorry i cant be more specific about that.

are there any suggestions for what feat to get instead of mental toughness? the only ones i can think of that would be better are spell focus, but as I've said, i don't know what spells ill be casting at high levels, so i don't know what spell school to focus on.

I'm sure your tired of me thanking you by now, but this has been a huge help so far, so thank you very very very much for the responses.

[BladedThesis]

Didn't know that about the alignments, i just picked chaotic good because it sounded cool and was hesitating changing it since i made the char, but I'm definitely gonna remake now that i know that, thank you very much.

I don't actually know which spells I'm gonna be using at higher levels since well... I've never seen high levels, so sorry i cant be more specific about that.

are there any suggestions for what feat to get instead of mental toughness? the only ones i can think of that would be better are spell focus, but as I've said, i don't know what spells ill be casting at high levels, so i don't know what spell school to focus on.

I'm sure your tired of me thanking you by now, but this has been a huge help so far, so thank you very very very much for the responses.

The spell focus you choose would depend on what you're going to use the most. Greater Command and Hold are both enchantments. Blade Barrier is an evocation and implosion are evocations, and BB gets a lot of use. Cometfall is a conjuration, not sure if there are any other useful conjurations to make the focus worth it. Seems to me evocation or enchantment would be the most useful though.

[Rusty_Can]

Mental Toughness isn't exactly worth a feat. Approximately 100 SP is really just a drop in the bucket at end game, so to speak. It's not bad to have at lower levels, but just make sure you respec out of it around level 15.

Here, I kinda agree: MT can be useful at low levels, but you can get rid of it at higher level.

Toughness is sort of debatable. It's not a bad feat by any means. However, I think that we might be able to do better.

I like those hp; on a human pure cleric, Toughness feat and its enhancements mean 53 (23 + 30) hp at lvl 20.

[Lymnus]

I like those hp; on a human pure cleric, Toughness feat and its enhancements mean 53 (23 + 30) hp at lvl 20.

Debatable. Using reasonable numbers:

160 (Cleric 20)
20 (Heroic Durability)
30 (Greater False Life)
60 (+6 Con Item)
60 (16 Con)
20 (+2 Tome, DDO Store Style!)
10 (Dragonic Vitality)
-----
360 HP

20 more HP via Minos Legen. 45 more HP via Shroud HP item. I believe 450 is a suitable amount for end-game usable, particularly with quickened heal. It's a nice feat to have, but it's certainly not a build breaker.

are there any suggestions for what feat to get instead of mental toughness? the only ones i can think of that would be better are spell focus, but as I've said, i don't know what spells ill be casting at high levels, so i don't know what spell school to focus on.

Since this is your first cleric, there's no reason to specialize too much. This'll be a balanced cleric, able to cast well, as well as let you get a feel for a caster-oriented cleric:

Cleric 20
True Neutral
Human

STR: 10
DEX: 8
CON: 16
INT: 8
WIS: 18
CHA: 8

All level ups into Wisdom.

Max out Concentration, 1 point into Tumble; rest into Balance.

1st: Empower Healing Spell
1st: Toughness (Human Bonus)
3rd: Extend Spell
6th: Quicken Spell
9th: Maximize Spell
12th: Heighten Spell
15th: Spell Penn.
18th: Improved Spell Penn.

Build is pretty basic.
Enhancements should go into:
Cleric Life Magic (Max)
Cleric Energy of the Zealot (Max)
Cleric Empowered Healing (Max)
Cleric Prayer of Life (One point)
Cleric Divine Healing (One point)
Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery (Max)
Cleric Spell Penn. (Max, start investing in this at level 12. Earlier is a waste)
Cleric Wisdom (Max)
Human Adaptability: Wisdom
Human Adaptability: Constitution (Or whatever odd-numbered stat you have at that time is)
Human Toughness (Max)

After that, everything is gravy. Should give you a good idea of what a basic cleric is like. If yo need help with gear or anything, I can set up a basic set.