DT vs. Icy Rainments

[Flasharte]

So DT armor can be crafted that basicaly gives you the same bonuses as the Icy Rainments right? Which one is easier to get?

[Velexia]

So DT armor can be crafted that basicaly gives you the same bonuses as the Icy Rainments right? Which one is easier to get?

That's a good question, honestly. I think the correct answer is try for both and hopefully one will get there.

[Shiler]

8 runs for chest in week time, VS god know how many runs in 2 quests over a week.

I found Icy to be easier to get. I left DT armor till im very very very very very bored.

• Icy Raiment - (Robe) Dodge Bonus +4, Deflection +4, Resistance +3 (Garamol's Chest)

On Dt you can get +3 dodge, +5 Deflection, +5 resistance., and +6 armor bonus.

Icy is better if you want higher Ac and you ok with getting a lot of gear with it:
Armor bracers +6/+8, +4 Insight on GS weapon, +5 resistance item, +5 deflection item.

Up to you really.

But still imo, i think grinding additional gear to icy is easier, since most of it drops in quest that are easy/short, or are raids that you will do either way.

[The_Great_Samulas]

Cyr is completely correct here. I would only add a few things.

(1) DT offers extreme adaptability in slots, which can be quite advantageous as you get higher and higher end gear (epic).

(2) Icy is 4 better ac than DT when everything is said and done (this assumes the loss of a bracer slot for +2 dodge bracers with DT). So you have armor and bracer slots consumed with both set-ups.

On my AC toon I have both, depending on whether I want top-end AC or more DPS. On a monk I would use greensteele for the insight when going AC and handwraps with DT when going DPS. In my opinion, an AC toon that doesn't have a DPS mode is a weak toon. Unfortunately, this only adds to the incredible grind of the AC toon, but it gives you something to go for!

Good luck on your loots, you are going to need it...

[Roman]

Pure speculation here, but I am guessing that the epic chatter will be dodge +4, in which case it will pair up nicely with the dodge +3 on a DT armor, and +2 dodge on the bracers. If that does indeed happen, then DT armor and epic chatter will be best setup.

[Quikster]

Pure speculation here, but I am guessing that the epic chatter will be dodge +4, in which case it will pair up nicely with the dodge +3 on a DT armor, and +2 dodge on the bracers. If that does indeed happen, then DT armor and epic chatter will be best setup.

How my fighter would love this, and my rogue would hate it

I bet they add a slot to it and increase the spot lol.

[Deathseeker]

Pure speculation here, but I am guessing that the epic chatter will be dodge +4, in which case it will pair up nicely with the dodge +3 on a DT armor, and +2 dodge on the bracers. If that does indeed happen, then DT armor and epic chatter will be best setup.

Ive heard this speculation as well, and I like it! I think it is appropriate that some type of Epic gear allow Icy Raiments to be replaced in a max AC build. I don't like the fact that we are wearing lvl 14 non-crafted gear as end game gear from an AC perspective. I think this would be an appropriate addition, whether it's Epic Chattering Ring or some other Epic loot.

[Solmage]

Pure speculation here, but I am guessing that the epic chatter will be dodge +4, in which case it will pair up nicely with the dodge +3 on a DT armor, and +2 dodge on the bracers. If that does indeed happen, then DT armor and epic chatter will be best setup.

Depends: If team desert is in charge of the epic chattering ring, it'll instead be -15 to move silently, +7 to hide, colorless slot =)

[Cyr]

Pure speculation here, but I am guessing that the epic chatter will be dodge +4, in which case it will pair up nicely with the dodge +3 on a DT armor, and +2 dodge on the bracers. If that does indeed happen, then DT armor and epic chatter will be best setup.

I've heard that chatter also. Not sure how EPIC an item could be when an AC item actually lowers your top AC on many robe wearing builds. Let me state here that would be a horrible idea for it's epic upgrade Turbine...turning a level 11 ring into a level 20 ring that is a huge item for robe wearing AC builds (which have gotten nada to increase their top AC in epic when the armor wearers have gotten a few points more) that does not increase their top AC.

My suggestion for Chattering Ring EPIC

EPIC Chattering Ring
+3 dodge bonus
+1 exceptional bonus to AC (stacks with other exceptional bonus's to AC, but not with a bonus of the same plus)
stupid skill loss thing of normal chattering ring
yellow slot

[Cyr]

So DT armor can be crafted that basicaly gives you the same bonuses as the Icy Rainments right? Which one is easier to get?

Wrong.

Icy Gives a +4 Dodge bonus to AC. How dodge bonus's work is that a dodge bonus of the exact same amount does not stack, but those of different amounts do. There is no other way to get this bonus in game atm.

DT you can get an insight bonus to AC (which does not stack and is available on GS tier 3 weapons) or you can get a +3 dodge bonus (which does not stack with chattering ring).

DT is excellent for slot condensation or for handwrap using monks. Icy gives top AC.

Icy is a single item pull in sub. It's not super easy to pull, but it's also not super hard.

DT requires multiple runs of different quests to get the combo's you want. It is epic in grindage.

Oh and DT can give you a +5 resist which tops icy's.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

DT is excellent for slot condensation. Icy gives top AC.

If you can't/won't use a greensteel weapon, then DT can be higher AC than Icy - e.g. you are a monk using handwraps or someone who specializes in stat damaging or vorpalling.

Icy has had a bit of a resurgence with some decent +8 ac bracers coming out of epic though, it'll be interesting to see what the Epic Jidz-Tet'ka turns out to be, but there's already the Epic Bracers of Deftness.

Garth

[Cyr]

If you can't/won't use a greensteel weapon, then DT can be higher AC than Icy - e.g. you are a monk using handwraps or someone who specializes in stat damaging or vorpalling.

Icy has had a bit of a resurgence with some decent +8 ac bracers coming out of epic though, it'll be interesting to see what the Epic Jidz-Tet'ka turns out to be, but there's already the Epic Bracers of Deftness.

Garth

You might notice that I edited my post for handwrap users. However, if someone is going to be grinding for DT I find it highly unlikely they would not be grinding for GS.

[Deathseeker]

If we are talking pure Dex/Wis based AC builds, the Icy Raiments are better. The +4 Dodge bonus is not available anywhere else on gear. Nearly every bonus you can get on DT you can get on other gear (I believe the exception may be the third tier bonus on the Levik's which if I recall is a +5 Insight bonus, 1 higher than greensteel).

Therefore, if just looking at AC, Icy Raiments is "superior".

HOWEVER, you give up a ton of equipment slots in order to use the Icy Raiments and max the AC. The resist is inferior to what you can put on DT. The protection bonus isn't maxed either.

Therefore, in reality, it depends on your goals. If AC is your highest priority, Icy Raiments are what you'll want. However, if you don't mind giving up 3 or 4 points of AC in your build, DT is much more efficient in terms of equipment slot utilization.

Im not 100% caught up on all the Epic gear, so if something above is incorrect due to new loot, please correct me!

[ryingar]

If you are going for AC - Icy is the way to go

Lets assume you get everything you want on your DT and you'll use Chaosbracers

Icy - 4 dodge, Add 8 armor bracers, + 5 prot item + alch ritual 1 = 18 AC and you still have the option of Chattering ring for another 3 ac dodge

DT - 6 armor, 3 dodge, 5 prot + 2 dodge from CB + 1 Alch ritual = 17 AC

Icy wins by 1 ac or 4 if you have chattering ring

[Seftonblake]

Icy Raiment is by far easier to get and only level 14 to ware means you can have sooner. DT armour much better (OFC).

Farm the SUB for an Icy 1st (always groups up or put one up as easy run), whilst you build your DT

[Garseya]

It's much easier to farm for the Icy, if you have a few friends willing to farm with you for it. Dragon Touched (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=162707) has random effects so theres no way to know how many runes you'll have to use in order to match the benefit of the items, it's random so even an optimist is faced with uncertainty.

Go for your Icy, then get your DT IMO

[D-molisher]

Go for Icy-rainment.
Dragon touched armor are an EPIC grind. The roulette type of tiers powers - can be really anoying, or worse.
So to make a good DT, you need grind those quests alot. And patience / or luck.

[Drfirewater79]

So DT armor can be crafted that basicaly gives you the same bonuses as the Icy Rainments right? Which one is easier to get?

icy rainment is easier to get but DT once built to satisfy your need is way WAY better.

on my monk i get 3 more ac with my DT then i do with my icy.

thing is if you dont care about dps you can put incite 4 on your shroud weapon and then keep your icy on and get a chattering ring rather then have it on your DT and have another pro +5 item on to make up the difference ...

so in actuality for a icy rainment to be better then a DT its easier to get the DT built ... but as far as having something now that you can use its easier to grind out Icy Rainment.