Competely innappropriate...

[jozzcooper]

Something that seems to have been missed is that it goes beyond just one guy's daughter. This is a guild full of kids who have all been exposed to one person's shenanigans.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Something that seems to have been missed is that it goes beyond just one guy's daughter. This is a guild full of kids who have all been exposed to one person's shenanigans.

Yeah...who probably all have similar kinds of parents.....your point?

[Treerat]

The point is that the guy posting that link probably violated the law in multiple states. As an incorporated company based in Boston, Turbine is obligated to report such violations that occur within its business (this game) to the relevant authorities for investigation under the law of the United States of America and the law of the State of Massachusetts. Failure to do so would make Turbine guilty of adding and abetting in the crime.

If you think this is bull, read up on the lawsuit that was filed against Blizzard Entertainment due to their suspending of a person for recruiting for a gay/ lesbian/ trans-gender friendly guild. If you're too lazy I'll make it short: Blizzards own lawyers told them to settle the suit because if it went to court they would not have a single legal principle to stand on due to California (where Blizzard is headquartered) having some of the strongest anti-discrimination laws in the United States. Note that the person filing the suit wasn't living in California (if my memory is correct she was a British citizen), yet the laws as written in California were what gave the suit it's ability to send a multi-million dollar company effectively begging a single private individual not to pursue legal action.

No matter what you think, the Internet is not a free-for-all where no rules exist. Especially in the case of for-profit enterprises like Turbine; people make their livings (and very good ones too) from advising companies about the sort of rules they need to protect themselves from getting into lawsuits they can not win.

[Kistilan]

The main point you should think about is this:

There is likely no log of who put that Guild Message UP!

And this isn't a gay rights issue. No ones rights were violated. What is in question is the appropriate nature of the content hosted. Turbine explicitily has a hands-free of contents generated by users and an EULA that prohibits this behaviour. They did their part to "blanket statement" so they cannot be sued for someone's antics.

What's going on is that a guild of kids (in which this is a 13+ game, not an E game) have a guild. That's great! I've played with som decent 8-12 yr old players, believe it or not. However, the fact that they have created a kids guild does not create a separate EULA in which the game is now an E-Content and Turbine is still not responsible for the content generated by users.

Can they break out the ban hammer? YES.

Can Turbine be sued for the users actions? Highly Unlikely.

The point is that the guy posting that link probably violated the law in multiple states. As an incorporated company based in Boston, Turbine is obligated to report such violations that occur within its business (this game) to the relevant authorities for investigation under the law of the United States of America and the law of the State of Massachusetts. Failure to do so would make Turbine guilty of adding and abetting in the crime.

If you think this is bull, read up on the lawsuit that was filed against Blizzard Entertainment due to their suspending of a person for recruiting for a gay/ lesbian/ trans-gender friendly guild. If you're too lazy I'll make it short: Blizzards own lawyers told them to settle the suit because if it went to court they would not have a single legal principle to stand on due to California (where Blizzard is headquartered) having some of the strongest anti-discrimination laws in the United States. Note that the person filing the suit wasn't living in California (if my memory is correct she was a British citizen), yet the laws as written in California were what gave the suit it's ability to send a multi-million dollar company effectively begging a single private individual not to pursue legal action.

No matter what you think, the Internet is not a free-for-all where no rules exist. Especially in the case of for-profit enterprises like Turbine; people make their livings (and very good ones too) from advising companies about the sort of rules they need to protect themselves from getting into lawsuits they can not win.

[Ragemage]

That is messed up!

Yep true. Gay porn is really messed up!

[Yagi]

You should teach your kids to not go to any url that you dont place in the bookmark for them, porn asside, its a good way to get viruses and kids are especially prone to being phished, you could end up with all kinds of problems.
Better yet, you should limit all traffic to what you specifically allow, there are many programs that you can use to achieve this.
Today it was porn, tomorrow it could be a keylogger.

And as for the chucklehead posting the link...are you people really saying to get him/her on the sex offender registry? Really? Think about the type of person who would think that posting a link to something that is so common on the internet is somehow shocking or remotely funny past the early 1990's...its probably another kid who did it. Do you really want to ruin some stupid kid's life because they thought they were being funny?

[Mockduck]

I'd probably pull my kid from the guild and say why. I'd also consider sending a harassment report to Turbine if the guild is indeed full of kids who group together often. If it's an adult in charge of the guild, and they know (and should know) that there are lots of youngsters in the guild, then putting up a porn link of any kind in the Motd is not only not appropriate, but a potential legal issue. Either be the kind of guild where it's okay to post that kind of thing as a "joke" (aka - no kids, probably) or be a guild that is open to kids. And yeah, I realize DDO's a T-rated game and most of us are adults, but still...I'd be pretty creeped out if I was a parent and had that happen.

[Sirea]

Well i dont want to call you an idiot but your not very smart you cant become a sex offender for posting gay porn on a website. Someone could talk dirty to another character in this game and you cant get charged criminally for it.

You'd be surprised how minor charges can be warped into making the perpetrator look like a sick twisted animal.

People have been arrested and slapped with the sex offender labels for things such as skinny-dipping in their own backyard pool with appropriate fencing or hedges intended to block out nosy people. People have been arrested for walking naked through their own homes just because they happen to have a window open, noticed, once again, but the Gladys Kravitz nosy-neighbor types.

16-year-olds (usually boys) have been sent to jail and slapped with the sex offender label for having consensual sex with people of their own age. Vindictive parents have called the cops on their child's boyfriend/girlfriend for "statutory rape" simply because they don't like the kid.

It does happen. Doesn't make it right, though.

[Mockduck]

You'd be surprised how minor charges can be warped into making the perpetrator look like a sick twisted animal.

People have been arrested and slapped with the sex offender labels for things such as skinny-dipping in their own backyard pool with appropriate fencing or hedges intended to block out nosy people. People have been arrested for walking naked through their own homes just because they happen to have a window open, noticed, once again, but the Gladys Kravitz nosy-neighbor types.

16-year-olds (usually boys) have been sent to jail and slapped with the sex offender label for having consensual sex with people of their own age. Vindictive parents have called the cops on their child's boyfriend/girlfriend for "statutory rape" simply because they don't like the kid.

It does happen. Doesn't make it right, though.

Ultimately it's up to a prosecuting agency to investigate and proceed with it, but sending depictions of sex to underage minors through the cell phone, internet, etc is indeed against the law, whether intentionally sent or not. Just sayin' people get prosecuted for this all the time.

[Sirea]

Ultimately it's up to a prosecuting agency to investigate and proceed with it, but sending depictions of sex to underage minors through the cell phone, internet, etc is indeed against the law, whether intentionally sent or not. Just sayin' people get prosecuted for this all the time.

My argument was more against how people are saying that the severity of the subject in the OP does not warrant legal action.

I'm mixed on what the OP should do. As a parent myself, I'd probably be a little steamed. But then again, I am putting my child in a position where something like this could happen, allowing them on the internet and exposing them to this kind of stuff. The best you could probably do in this situation is tell your child not to click on any links hat they don't know, and set your parental controls on your computer/net browser accordingly. And accept the fact that your children do need to grow up one day, and the end of their innocence is inevitable.

There's things that need to be considered too. Did the person who put up that link know children were around? Did that person truly intend for children to look at it? Did they put it up there while they were impaired in some way? Or are they truly a sicko? It'd be hard to pinpoint intent in a case such as this. But I'm sure the "think of the children" card would be pulled in court, and the person could get in serious trouble, regardless of motives or intent.

It's not a bad thing to trust your children. But it seems parent nowadays think the world is much more innocent than it actually is.

[wamjratl1]

legally nothing you can really do. sex offender registry is 10 -12 years in most states, if the offender was european....completely different ball game. as for reporting to turbine, i would. this happened to your child. your child. you do not have to sit by and allow it. i've seen and heard of people getting banned for swearing in guld and party chat, so i'm pretty sure turbine will take the appropriate actions with this case. i also agree with an earlier post about monitoring, from a distance if need (kids do need a little space), the guild activity. maybe put an alt in the guild as an officer so if someone is overly offensive you can boot.

i would strongly recommend coming up with a plan for next time as well. there will be one i'm sure.

Exactly This.

OP, sounds like your daughter did what we would all want our daughters to do in that situation. Report the perp - while his prank was probably intended as just that, Turbine should at least be given the opportunity to monitor and possibly sanction him. Its in-game harrassment, IMO (unless its done in my guild, then it's just funny). Adults are equipped to handle that stuff and move on. Kids aren't and this officer clearly knew he was posting on a kids guild.

[vVAnjilaVv]

You know what....even tho suggesting this kind of thing to minors is messed up...I agree.....it amazes me how much people get bent out of shape and shoked over the naked human body and sexuality...seriously....GROW THE HE** UP!

either that or go live in disneyland.


This game is rated T...not G.....there is a difference BTW. People like this are in denial...or are very ugly and undesirable so try to make people that are not feel guilty.....put the hoho's down, join a gym...get in shape and get over urself.

[Lawrence_V._Sullivan]

im going to take an unpopular stance on this one.
a bunch of you are calling for the law, and all that, but think about it in another light.
if, and im not sure it is actionable in that way, but if the law is to be brought into it, some dumbass kid gets lopped in with a crowd that he likly doesnt belong with because he had a lapse of judgement? sex offender? he probably isnt much older than your kid. kids do stupid things. if its an adault, and they knew that there were a bunch of kids in the guild, well then off with his head. but some dumb kid shouldnt have to deal with that kind of **** for being a stupid kid. i do agree that he/she should be permabanned regardless of how old he/she is.

[tomfar72]

You know what....even tho suggesting this kind of thing to minors is messed up...I agree.....it amazes me how much people get bent out of shape and shoked over the naked human body and sexuality...seriously....GROW THE HE** UP!

either that or go live in disneyland.


This game is rated T...not G.....there is a difference BTW. People like this are in denial...or are very ugly and undesirable so try to make people that are not feel guilty.....put the hoho's down, join a gym...get in shape and get over urself.

Ok, so you agree that suggesting this type of thing to minors is wrong, but what the hell else are you babbling about? I really don't remember too many people in this thread "getting bent out of shape and shocked over the naked human body and sexuality" other than how it pertains to children being exposed to it. Some may have an aversion to porn, while others certainly don't. To each his own.

Also, what does being "very ugly and undesirable" have to do with not wanting your children to see porn? Are you seriously implying that the only reason people would object to their children seeing porn is because they are unhappy with themselves? REALLY? I'm sure Brad and Angelina(and she is a documented freak btw) wouldn't want their kids exposed to porn either.

[Mockduck]

Last time I looked, porn was FULL of ugly people...

[Mockduck]

You know what....even tho suggesting this kind of thing to minors is messed up...I agree.....it amazes me how much people get bent out of shape and shoked over the naked human body and sexuality...seriously....GROW THE HE** UP!

either that or go live in disneyland.


This game is rated T...not G.....there is a difference BTW. People like this are in denial...or are very ugly and undesirable so try to make people that are not feel guilty.....put the hoho's down, join a gym...get in shape and get over urself.

You know, on one hand I kinda understand what you're saying, I think the U.S. tends to get over-hyper about nudity and such in general. That said, this particular instance creeps me out. Depends a lot on the age of the youngin' in question, personally I'd have a different opinion if the kid was 11 or 16. But either way this kind of ambush isn't really appropriate in a guild with children. Since the kid in question was able to boot the alleged offender, I have to assume that the poster knew there were kids in the guild...

[Sharzade]

I think it's fine that your daughter plays DDO, and I don't think that this incident should stop her from playing. She handled it pretty well I think, and she probably learned something about what kinds of guys to avoid because they're a pain to hang out with/say stuff that makes her uncomfortable.

Your daughter reacted sensibly when the posting happened. She's shown that she won't tolerate tacky behaviour in her guild. Good for her! She's way more mature than the silly bloke that thought he could get away with it in her guild.

Cheers,

Sharz

[vVAnjilaVv]

I just think this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion......THIS IS THE INTERNET.....WHAT THE HE** DO U EXPECT!.

I think the OP should have kept it a private matter honestly instead of coming on here all naively and hypoctitically shocked that it happened.

And I reiterate...this game is RATED TTTTTTTTTTTTT


not GGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[vVAnjilaVv]

Last time I looked, porn was FULL of ugly people...

I guess what u choose to look at would matter in that opinion.

[Mystyque]

You'd be surprised how minor charges can be warped into making the perpetrator look like a sick twisted animal.

People have been arrested and slapped with the sex offender labels for things such as skinny-dipping in their own backyard pool with appropriate fencing or hedges intended to block out nosy people. People have been arrested for walking naked through their own homes just because they happen to have a window open, noticed, once again, but the Gladys Kravitz nosy-neighbor types.

16-year-olds (usually boys) have been sent to jail and slapped with the sex offender label for having consensual sex with people of their own age. Vindictive parents have called the cops on their child's boyfriend/girlfriend for "statutory rape" simply because they don't like the kid.

It does happen. Doesn't make it right, though.

Look you fail to see my point. How does anyone know for sure that the person that posted that link isnt a child? How does the person that posted the link know that the people viewing that are children? And Why isnt that material blocked from the OP's computer so that it cannot be viewed?

Look I am not saying that what that person did was right in fact its down right disgusting to post any kind of porn period where there might be children able to view it.

The fact that this game depicts half naked women on it should suggest to a Parent that it may not be appropriate. The fact that you can undress and dress you character down to what I would call underwear would suggest its not appropriate.

This game is rated T-Teen for Violence, Blood, Alcohol Reference and Suggestive Themes. This should also be a hint to the parent that a child that or a parent of a child that you dont want introduced to an adult world with those themes in a ROLE PLAYING game shouldnt allow their child to play.

I could walk into a tavern get undress drink a Ghallanda Disstilate and chat with a female character in game that is one definition of ROLE PLAYING.. Now i would not do that unless of course its TAB.

The matter of the fact is if someone was to take this to a legal proceeding the defense would tear this appart and make the childs and the parents life hell.

Why Mr. OP was your child allowed access to this kind of material in the first place.

Mr. OP is your child the appropriate age recommended by Turbine game rating to be playing this game?

Mr. OP do you supervise your child while he or she is playing this game?

I can only imagine the many more questions that would be flying towards the OP from a defense attorney belittling his parenting and supervision of his children.

No I am in aggreement with the person that posted this should have been kept a private matter.

I am not suggesting your a bad parent in any way but what i am saying is that mistakes happen could you have prevented this and made your childs gaming experience more suitable YES!!

Your daughter took the appropriate actions by booting that person from her guild I also believe she should have reported it through the in game reporting system and let Turbine deal with it. But beyond that I believe that you should just take this as a learning experience for you and your daughter and advise her not to pull up any links that are posted anywhere!!