New DDO content from D&D

[Captain_Wizbang]

This topic has been posted/ rebutted/ trolled/ flamed/ and beaten down like a penny on a train track BUT>>>

My personal desire for new content should be the modules from D&D (up to version 3.5 junk)
to be brought into the game as complete updtaes (patches, mods whatever you want to call them).

Sorry Turbine, a classic example of some under-developed content is the IQ series!
I am aware of the constraints you have had from the lawsuit & development demand for your other games.

The majority of players & turbine staff are D&D people! So why do we have content that takes us away from from what we expect?

The back story for the "Attack on Stormreach" is cool; but not it falls short of my point.
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Let me put it on the table as plain as day for you developers & engineers & staff that decide what we get here.

If you have the expertise to make this game, and give us the best combat system around,
AND develop a game that takes some brain power to play, you should be able to develop game content from the original modules!

That's what we want. That's what you should promulgate for enticing the players that have left the game to come back, & bringing in more people that tried the game out 4 years ago & weren't impressed, and, bringing all the new PnP people out there into the game that want said content.

I am not flaming; I am totally blown away to be able to play D&D in an MMO format!
We just need more authentic content.

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SO!!!! What modules would you all like to see brought into the game?

[Beld]

is that Turbine's contract is for the Eberron setting, which NONE of those old modules included...ie, they can't do anything with it without permission, which is doubtful to be forthcoming due to the litigation/upcoming rumored D&D title.

[Captain_Wizbang]

is that Turbine's contract is for the Eberron setting, which NONE of those old modules included...ie, they can't do anything with it without permission, which is doubtful to be forthcoming due to the litigation/upcoming rumored D&D title.

Please don't direct the legalities towards me!
If you read my post, it says, "I am aware of the legal constraints" I'm not by any means saying I "know" the inner workings of anything legalese, I do know that there is a cross over for authentic content, that directly relates to our campaign setting.

As for the rumor you mention, it is just that right now.

[Captain_Wizbang]

I guess I should make another point.

It doesnt matter what content they develop. I'll play it, and enjoy the heck out of it!
This game ROCKS

[Beld]

not flaming or trolling (at least not intentionally), and didn't most of the crossover stuff happen later since Eberron is a fairly new (in the life of D&D) setting ??

[Captain_Wizbang]

This is a current list of my collection. Some of this redundant, but its ok.

At what point do any of these not have the TSR/ WOTC copyright, and fall under D&D setting?
The post isnt about any legal issue, it's about with all this content that CAN be developed; what would YOU (everybody) like to see?


1973:
Boxed Sets:
Dungeons & Dragons (original 3-volume set)

1975:
Accessories:
Supplement I: Greyhawk
Supplement II: Blackmoor

1976:
Accessories:
Supplement III: Eldritch Wizardry
Supplement IV: Gods, Demi-Gods & Heroes
Swords & Spells
Dungeon Geomorphs Set One

1977:
Hardbacks:
Monster Manual

Boxed Sets:
Dungeons & Dragons Basic Set

Accessories:
Character Record Sheets
Dungeon Geomorphs Set Two
Dungeon Geomorphs Set Three
Outdoor Geomorphs Set One: Walled City
Monster & Treasure Assortment Set One
Monster & Treasure Assortment Set Two

1978:
Hardbacks:
Players Handbook

Accessories:
Monster & Treasure Assortment Set Three

Adventures:
B1 In Search of the Unknown
D1 Descent into the Depths of the Earth
D2 The Shrine of the Kuo-Toa
D3 Vault of the Drow
G1 Steading of the Hill Giant Chief
G2 The Glacial Rift of the Front Giant Jarl
G3 Hall of the Fire Giant King
S1 Tomb of Horrors

1979:
Hardbacks:
Dungeon Masters Guide

Accessories:
Character Record Sheets
DM Screen
NPC Records Folder
Permanent Character Folders
Official AD&D Coloring Book

Adventures:
B2 Keep on the Borderlands
S2 White Plume Mountain
T1 Village of Hommlet

1980:
Hardbacks:
Deities & Demigods

Acessories:
DM's Adventure Log
The Rogue's Gallery
World of Greyhawk campaign folio
Dungeon Geomorphs Set One-Three (re-print)
Monster & Treasure Assortment Set One-Three (re-print)

Adventures:
A1 Slave Pits of the Undercity
C1 The Hidden Shrine of Tomoachan
C2 Ghost Tower of Inverness
Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits
S3 Expedition to Barrier Peak

1981:
Hardbacks:
Fiend Folio

Boxed Sets:
Dungeons & Dragons Basic Set
Dungeons & Dragons Expert Set



Adventures:
A2 Secret of the Slavers Stockade
A3 Assault on the Aerie of the Slave Lords
A4 In the Dungeon of the Slave Lords
B3 Palace of the Silver Princess
D1-2 Descent into the Depths of the Earth (re-print)
G1-2-3 Against the Giants (re-print)
I1 Dwellers of the Forbidden City
L1 The Secret of Bone Hill
U1 The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh
X1 The Isle of Dread

1982:
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Monster Cards, Sets 1-4

Adventures:
B4 The Lost City
I2 Tomb of the Lizard King
I3 Pharoah
N1 Against the Cult of the Reptile God
S4 Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth
U2 Danger at Dunwater
WG4 The Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun
X2 Castle Amber (Chateau d’ Amberville)
X3 Curse of Xanathon

1983:
Hardbacks:
Monster Manual II

Boxed Sets:
Dungeons & Dragons Set 1: Basic Rules
Dungeons & Dragons Set 2: Expert Rules
World of Greyhawk

Accessories:
AC1 The Shady Dragon Inn

Adventures:
B5 Horror on the Hill
EX1 Dungeonland
EX2 The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror
I4 Oasis of the White Palm
I5 Lost Tomb of Martek
I6 Ravenloft
L2 The Assassin’s Knot
M1 Blizzard Pass
M2 Maze of the Riddling Minotaur
O1 The Gem and the Staff
U3 The Final Enemy
UK1 Beyond the Crystal Cave
UK2 The Sentinel
X4 Master of the Desert Nomads
X5 Temple of Death

1984:
Boxed Sets:
Dungeons & Dragons Set 3: Companion Rules

Accessories:
AC2 Combat Shield & Mini-adventure
AC3 3-D Dragon Tiles featuring The Kidnapping of Princess Arlena
AC4 The Book of Marvelous Magic
AC5 Player Character Record Sheets

Adventures:
B6 The Veiled Society
B7 Rahasia
B8 Journey to the Rock
BSOLO Ghost of Lion Castle
C3 The Lost Island of Castanamir
C4 To Find a King
CB1 Conan Unchained!
CB2 Conan Against Darkness!
CM1 Test of the Warlords
CM2 Death’s Ride
CM3 Sabre River
DL1 Dragons of Despair
DL2 Dragons of Flame
DL3 Dragons of Hope
DL4 Dragons of Desolation
DL5 Dragons of Mystery
MV1 Midnight on Dagger Alley
N2 The Forest Oracle
O2 Blade of Vengeance
UK3 The Gauntlet
UK4 When a Star Falls
UK5 Eye of the Serpent
UK6 All that Glitters…
WG5 Mordenkainen’s Fantastic Adventure
X6 Quagmire!
X7 The War Rafts of Kron
X8 Drums on Fire Mountain
XL1 Quest for the Heartstone
XSOLO Lathan’s Gold

1985:
Hardbacks:
Oriental Adventures
Unearthed Arcana

Boxed Sets:
Battlesystem
Dungeons & Dragons Set 4: Master Rules

Accessories:
Lankhmar: City of Adventure
AC6 Player Character Record Sheets
AC7 Master Player Screen featuring The Spindle
AC8 3-D Dragon Tiles featuring The Revenge of Rusak
REF1 DM Screen

Adventures:
B9 Castle Caldwell and Beyond
C5 The Bane of Llywelyn
CA1 Swords of the Undercity
CM4 Earthshaker!
CM5 Mystery of the Snow Pearls
CM6 Where Chaos Reigns
DL6 Dragons of Ice
DL7 Dragons of Light
DL8 Dragons of War
DL9 Dragons of Deceit
DL10 Dragons of Dreams
DL11 Dragons of Glory
H1 Bloodstone Pass
I7 Baltron’s Beacon
M1 Into the Maelstrom
T1-4 The Temple of Elemental Evil
UK7 Dark Clouds Gather
WG6 Isle of the Ape
X9 The Savage Coast
X10 Red Arrow, Black Shield
XS2 Thunderdelve Mountain,

1986:
Hardbacks:
Dungeoneer’s Survival Guide
Wilderness Survival Guide

Boxed Sets:
Dungeons & Dragons Set 5: Immortal Rules

Accessories:
AC9 Creature Catalogue
REF2 Character Record Sheets
REF3 Book of Lairs

Adventures:
A1-4 Scourge of the Slavelords (re-print)
B10 Night’s Dark Terror
CA2 Swords of Deceit
CM7 The Tree of Life
DA1 Adventures in Blackmoor
DA2 Temple of the Frog
DL12 Dragons of Faith
DL13 Dragons of Truth
DL14 Dragons of Triumph
GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders (re-print)
H2 The Mines of Bloodstone
I8 Ravager of Time
I9 Day of Al’Akbar
I10 Ravenloft II: The House on Griffon Hill
IM1 Immortal Storm
M2 Vengeance of Alphaks
M3 Twilight Calling
N3 Destiny of Kings
N4 Treasure Hunt
OA1 Swords of Daimyo
OA2 Night of the Seven Swords
RS1 Red Sonya Unconquered
X11 Saga of the Shadow Lord

1987:
Hardbacks:
Dragonlance Adventures
Manual of the Planes

Boxed Sets:
Forgotten Realms Campaign
Kara Tur, the Eastern Lands

Acessories:
AC10 Bestiary of Dragons and Giants
AC11 The Book of Wondrous Inventions
FR1 Waterdeep and the North
FR2 Moonshae
GAZ1 The Grand Duchy of Karameikos
GAZ2 The Emirates of Ylaruam
GAZ3 The Principalities of Glantri
GAZ4 The Kingdom of Ierendi
REF4 Book of Lairs II

Adventures:
B1-9 In Search of Adventure (re-print)
C6 Official RPGA Tourney Handbook
CM8 The Endless Stair
CM9 Legacy of Blood
DA3 City of the Gods
DA4 Duchy of Ten
DQ1 The Shattered Statue
H3 The Bloodstone Wars
I3-5 Desert of Desolation
I11 Needle
I12 Egg of the Phoenix
I13 Adventure Pack I
IM2 The Wrath of Olympus
IM3 The Best of Intentions
M4 Five Coins for a Kingdom
M5 Talons of Night
N5 Under Illefarn
OA3 Ochimo: The Spirit Warrior
OA4 Blood of the Yakuza
S1-4 Realms of Horror (re-print)
X12 Skarda’s Mirror
X13 Crown of Ancient Glory

1988:
Hardbacks:
Greyhawk Adventures

Boxed Sets:
City System (orange box Waterdeep set)

Accessories:
DM's Design Kit
FR3 Empires of the Sands
FR4 The Magister
FR5 The Savage Frontier
FR6 Dreams of the Red Wizards
GAZ5 The Elves of Alfhiem
GAZ6 The Dwarves of Rockhome
GAZ7 The Northern Reaches
GAZ8 The Five Shires
GAZ9 The Minrothad Guilds
GAZ10 The Orcs of Thar
REF5 Lords of Darkness

Adventures:
DL15 Mists of Krynn
DL16 World of Krynn
FRC1 Ruins of Adventure
H4 Throne of Bloodstone
I14 Swords of the Iron Legion
OA5 Mad Monkey vs. the Dragon Claw
OP1 Tales of the Outer Planes
WG7 Castle Greyhawk

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I would rather they work on their own story line rather than just steal old ideas....plus no one will be happy with the translation from their memories to DDO

[Captain_Wizbang]

I would rather they work on their own story line rather than just steal old ideas....plus no one will be happy with the translation from their memories to DDO

OK, I like your thinking, but disagree that people wouldnt be happy with converting to DDO.
* Ferd bows gracefully & declines further comment from Loriens post*

[Draven]

While I also fantasize about the old modules like the "Tomb of Horrors" being brought to life in DDO, I doubt they would live up to our expectations. The "classic" D&D modules probably are better left untouched for that reason as what we were able to create in PnP years ago will likely never be as satisfying in DDO. The Eberron setting of DDO aside, I just don't see many of the classic D&D modules meeting our expectations in DDO. While everyone's experience in PnP is different, it will likely never be matched by what can be accomplished in a MMO. The nostalgia of PnP memories of these modules can falsely lead us to the idea that they can be relived again in just as a meaningful way in an online game. Unfortunately, I'm not sure this possible. All of these statements are made with the utmost respect for the DDO developers as I love this game and most of the quests in it, however, the experience of an excellent DM and 4-6 friends sitting around a table eating pizza and drinking beer can never be matched by a video game.

[Scarecrow]

In terms of adventures, I'd love to see some of the Xen'drik expedtions. It was an RPGA Eberron campaign based in Stormreach. There were four different factions, each with different story lines that sometimes intersected (Cabal of Shadows, Blackwheel Company, Crimson Codex, Covenant of Light). Some of the adventures were very memorable, and this would add a lot of flavor as well as some great quests. Here's the main page for some info:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ebxe/welcome