Looking for a Warchanter Bard/Barbarian "Bardbarian" build

[Cedwin]

*Edit

Thanks for the help guys, I've continued this in another thread over in the character builds forum.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=238968

[Ellyll]

Hey all, I've been playing around with a warchanter build who weilds a greataxe, and having a lot of fun with it. I started with 18 Str, 16 Con, 14 Cha. Selecting only buffing spells, no enchantment spells.

I noticed that the warchanter enhancement gives an extra rage if you have barbarian, and I thought, oh that sounds like fun.

Does anyone know what levels of each class would be best for a "Bardbarian" build?

My first thought was 12/8 barbarian bard, for FB II, but I don't have much experience with bards, so I don't know at what level they get "must have" songs or buffs.

A friend of mine is running an 18/2 bard barbarian build that he has a lot of fun with, but I was hoping to get a little more DPS out of my build.

Remember, it needs to have at least 6 levels of bard for the warchanter pre.

IDK what would be "Best', hopefully someone has some experience here. I can tell you that at L 8 bard gets displacement or haste, but iirc you can only have one at that level. I would probably choose displacement.

[sirgog]

I'm considering +3 reincarnating one of my bards into a Brd14/Brb6. (They are presently Brd16/Ftr1).

If you have under 14 levels of Bard, your songs are a lot weaker and many groups won't consider you suited to filling the bard slot in a raid.

[blitzschlag]

IDK what would be "Best', hopefully someone has some experience here. I can tell you that at L 8 bard gets displacement or haste, but iirc you can only have one at that level. I would probably choose displacement.

if i had to choose between extended haste and scrolled displacement or extended displacement and scrolled/potted haste i'd definately take the first combination.

[Ellyll]

I'm considering +3 reincarnating one of my bards into a Brd14/Brb6. (They are presently Brd16/Ftr1).

If you have under 14 levels of Bard, your songs are a lot weaker and many groups won't consider you suited to filling the bard slot in a raid.

Very good point. It should also be noted that even if you go 14 bard you will lose out on the AC song. I know a lot of people do not care about tanks, but if you are someone who does or runs with those h=who do it could be something to take into account too.

[Cedwin]

I'm considering +3 reincarnating one of my bards into a Brd14/Brb6. (They are presently Brd16/Ftr1).

If you have under 14 levels of Bard, your songs are a lot weaker and many groups won't consider you suited to filling the bard slot in a raid.

I don't really plan on running PuG raids, this will mainly be guild only, for fun.

The level 14 bard song gives an extra +1 to inspire courage, so it's not "too" much I would be missing out on.

That being said, at level 11, barbarians get Greater Rage, and at level 9, Bards get Inspire Greatness.

So a 9/11 Bard Barbarian looks pretty neat. Would I be missing anything other than the Improved Inspire Courage (+2) by only going 9 levels of bard?

[Ellyll]

I don't really plan on running PuG raids, this will mainly be guild only, for fun.

The level 14 bard song gives an extra +1 to inspire courage, so it's not "too" much I would be missing out on.

That being said, at level 11, barbarians get Greater Rage, and at level 9, Bards get Inspire Greatness.

So a 9/11 Bard Barbarian looks pretty neat. Would I be missing anything other than the Improved Inspire Courage (+2) by only going 9 levels of bard?

Lol, the 9/11 Bardbarian...

Anyway, back to bards. Besides the Improved Inspire Courage... No Song of Freedom (L 12 break enchant), no Inspire Heroics (L 15 AC boost). Also, no spells over L 3 (of course) (no FoM, cure critical, greater heroism, etc.)

I think you would be able to get a second L 3 spell at 9. (Not positive though) 2 out of displacement, haste, good hope, or cure serious, I would think.

[Cedwin]

Lol, the 9/11 Bardbarian...

Anyway, back to bards. Besides the Improved Inspire Courage... No Song of Freedom (L 12 break enchant), no Inspire Heroics (L 15 AC boost). Also, no spells over L 3 (of course) (no FoM, cure critical, greater heroism, etc.)

I think you would be able to get a second L 3 spell at 9. (Not positive though) 2 out of displacement, haste, good hope, or cure serious, I would think.

I've rarely ever seen a bard use the Song of Freedom, by that level we're usually running around with permanent FoM going.

I can't remember the bard's spell progression. I know on a sorc they get level 4 spells at level 9, but not sure what level the bards are at by 9.

As far as healing, I'll be using wands for the most part, and then heal scrolls when my UMD is high enough, so I'm not worried about healing spells. His spell points will be used for buffing, that's about it.

[Ellyll]

Well, there are only six levels or bard spells, of course. I am almost positive they learn their second third level spell at 9, but I could be wrong. (If some one with a bard could confirm or deny that...) That would be, discounting DC and healing spells, Haste, Displacement, and Good Hope (2 of those)

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Class:Bard

EDITE: Actually, according to the character planner (which I have found to usually be right), you get your third L 3 at 8, but I think you can only have 2 memorized. If that's true you could have all three of those known, and have any 2 memorized per day.

[Gunga]

I don't really plan on running PuG raids, this will mainly be guild only, for fun.

So a 9/11 Bard Barbarian looks pretty neat. Would I be missing anything other than the Improved Inspire Courage (+2) by only going 9 levels of bard?

Sounds like fun actually, Ced.

You'll be 3 points of attack and 3 points of damage behind a 20 lvl Warchanter Bard, but 1 Million points cooler.

Go for it, man.

[Cedwin]

Sounds like fun actually, Ced.

You'll be 3 points of attack and 3 points of damage behind a 20 lvl Warchanter Bard, but 1 Million points cooler.

Go for it, man.

Thanks Gunga, I just updated the other post with the build layout, still tweaking on it though.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...49#post2848249