Cleric Build - Please review

[SlayerInFlorida]

This is a cleric build a friend has come up with. His approach is that this character will specialize in healing. He is interested in leveling this toon to 20 and wants to know the viability/usefullness at endgame.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(20 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 220
Spell Points: 1757 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 9
Will: 21
                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              6                     6
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               18                    26
Charisma             12                    13
                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Balance               3.5               12            
Bluff                 1                  1            
Concentration         6                 25            
Diplomacy             1                  1            
Disable Device        n/a               n/a           
Haggle                1                  2            
Heal                  4                  8            
Hide                  2                  2            
Intimidate            1                  1            
Jump                 -2                 -2            
Listen                4                  8            
Move Silently         2                  2            
Open Lock             n/a               n/a           
Perform               n/a               n/a           
Repair                0                  0            
Search                0                  0            
Spot                  4                  8            
Swim                 -2                 -2            
Tumble                2.5                2.5          
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a           

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1.5)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Healing
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I

Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I

Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I

Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II

Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I

Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II

Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II

Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II

Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III

Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV

Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Healing
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing III

Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use III
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration II

Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV

Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Healing
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use IV

Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III

Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration III

Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III

Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning IV

Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I

[totmacher]

too high dex

replace balance for umd (balance is kind of useless now that air ellys arent a threat)

don't even bother with thrown weapons

[Daiur]

You might also want to raise strength. Walking around encumbered permanently istn't much fun.
Also what tot said.

[AZgreentea]

This is the healing cleric build I liked:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...49&postcount=5

Exrtra turning is unpopular. You can drop it for something like Maximize or maybe Longswords.

Your STR is way low, and you dont need that much Dex.

[Eladiun]

Beside the strength and dex... I would bag the Dragonmarks; 3 feats and 3 enhancements to pop a couple of extra heals. Five extra Cure Serious at 13th level to me isn't worth the cost when those Feats and Enhancement points could go elsewhere, buy a wand... I would rather go with Empower Healing and Maximize and do more with the heals you have. If you are tied to the Dragonmarks, I would still find a way to fit in Empower Healing probably drop Quicken for it and move the others around to take it earlier. I would also focus on either DV's or DH's rather than splitting enhancement points on both.

[totmacher]

Beside the strength and dex... I would bag the Dragonmarks; 3 feats and 3 enhancements to pop a couple of extra heals. Five extra Cure Serious at 13th level to me isn't worth the cost when those Feats and Enhancement points could go elsewhere, buy a wand... I would rather go with Empower Healing and Maximize and do more with the heals you have. If you are tied to the Dragonmarks, I would still find a way to fit in Empower Healing probably drop Quicken for it and move the others around to take it earlier. I would also focus on either DV's or DH's rather than splitting enhancement points on both.

actually I disagree with that, the Heal dragonmark can have like 7? or so heals at higher levels with the necklace and stuff. they're not a bad idea, if you're looking for cheap healing

[Khestral]

Beside the strength and dex... I would bag the Dragonmarks; 3 feats and 3 enhancements to pop a couple of extra heals. Five extra Cure Serious at 13th level to me isn't worth the cost when those Feats and Enhancement points could go elsewhere, buy a wand... I would rather go with Empower Healing and Maximize and do more with the heals you have. If you are tied to the Dragonmarks, I would still find a way to fit in Empower Healing probably drop Quicken for it and move the others around to take it earlier. I would also focus on either DV's or DH's rather than splitting enhancement points on both.

I believe you have to take at least one DV to unlock DH, but after that, leave it alone. Str definately needs to go up - clerics already have a hard time jumping, running, and carrying anything to add a str hit to it. extra turning as a feat really isn't worth it. I'd put a point in jump at some time, just one point in balance, and one point in tumble - the stats on items will make up for it.

Keep in mind that while halflings do get the healing dragonmark - humans get the extra feats. With that in mind, your friend is going to want to trim the fat off some of what he's taking. And getting quicken that late in the game really isn't worth it.

[Eladiun]

No prereq on DH...

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Enhan...vine_Healing_I

...I like to roll Dwarf clerics for the Dwarven Faith enhancement...

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Enhan...arven_Faith_IV

..the plus extra Con doesn't hurt either.

[Phidius]

I'd consider splashing 2 monk - you can use Ocean Stance to get more out of casting, better saves, 2 free feats (to offset the feats lost to Dragon mark). With the abundance of Sup Pot 6 necklaces in Amrath, it's not as hard to equip a cleric-monk as it used to be. Even if you don't plan on grinding for uber AC, the 2 monk splash adds a lot to this build. Heck, splash 3 monk to get free healing while in stance!

Balance is still good to have if you plan on spending much time in the Titan, but not a must-have like it used to be.

Oh, and I'd swap strength and charisma.

[Tumarek]

If you want to be usefull in endgame you will want maximise and empower. Clerics can do much more then just healing without loosing much or any healing capabilities.

Also Maximise and empower will strenghten your healing capabilities a lot (really alot). Much more important then the dragonmarks or mental thoughness. Drop at least one of the mental thoughness feats.

Low strenght is not too bad but in early game it will be quite bothersum because you cant carry much. Dex is not really needed either. More charisma and const will do more for you.

I would consider the following feats very important for a casting cleric:

-Thoughness: dead clerics dont heal

-Maximise and Empower: it makes your healing spells more potent and you are able to be a great combat caster... not optional

-Extended: is really not 100% neccessary but at low levels its really nice, and at high levels still nice

-Quicken: doesnt sound so important but it is... not optional

-Empower healing: Maximise and Empower dont work on Heal and MassHeal so it can be very nice at endgame... take it late but it isnt needed 100%

Also read up SirGogs Cleric build catalog, lots of good advice there.

[Eladiun]

actually I disagree with that, the Heal dragonmark can have like 7? or so heals at higher levels with the necklace and stuff. they're not a bad idea, if you're looking for cheap healing

That's fine but at the cost of Empower Healing and Maximize... I feel those are more valuable and I'd rather not sacrifice for something I can fill in with scrolls or wands. You can't buy extra feats... 3 feats and 10 enhancement points gets you 8 heals

That's 12.5% (10/80) of your enhancement points and 42.5 % (3/7) of your selectable feats to get 5 extra heals. That isn't exactly cheap...to me that is very expensive. Feats are a terrible thing to waste...

[SlayerInFlorida]

Lots of great advice here. Thanks for all the input so far.

[Khestral]

No prereq on DH...

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Enhan...vine_Healing_I

...I like to roll Dwarf clerics for the Dwarven Faith enhancement...

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Enhan...arven_Faith_IV

..the plus extra Con doesn't hurt either.

I stand corrected. Thanks. I think I've had to take DV before to unlock just to have the required spend on points to open it, or something. Not sure, but I always end up with one level of DV then to lvl 4 with DH.

[cbourque]

Maybe I am wrong, please let me know if my logic if flawed... But, this is what I calculate as the actual healing points you get from using Dragonmarks above level 15.

Least Dragon
9 Cure Light Wounds = 9*1d8+5 =
Range of (9*6 - 9*13) = 54-117 Healing Points per Shrine
with Empower Healing(Still no Spell Point Cost)
81-176 Healing Points per Shrine

Lesser Dragon
7 Cure serious Wounds = 3d8+15 =
Range of (7*18 - 7*39) = 126-273 Healing Points per Shrine
with Empower Healing(Still no Spell Point Cost)
189-410 Healing Points per Shrine

Greater Dragon
5 Heal = 10 x Caster Level =
5*150 = 750 Healing Points per Shrine
with Empower Healing(Still no Spell Point Cost)
1125 Healing Points per Shrine

Totals per Shrine Rest
930-1140 Healing Points per Shrine Rest (avg 1035)
or
1395-1711 Healing Points per Shrine Rest (using Empower Healing) (avg 1553)

So, by my calculations... on average, you get about 1000 or 1500(Empower Healing) Healing Points per Rest Shrine without having to use ANY Spell Points.

True?

[Eladiun]

Looks right but as I said I can get the same net effect by carrying Cure Serious wands and a handful of Heal scrolls...I cannot get feats from a vendor. If you look at the posted build I would replace those three Dragonmarks with Empower Healing, Maximize, and Toughness. That's a better specialized healing build for High Level content which is what was requested.

It's just my opinion but the benefits of the Dragonmarks just doesn't add up to what you can achieve with other feats on a Cleric especially considering you only get 7. Now on a halfy fighter build, awesome to have that much self healing/emergency healing and 3 feats on a fighter is cheap.