Hey there,
I've just created my first halfling build. It is going to be a 13 Rogue/6 Fighter/1 Monk Kensai build with all Dragonmark feats and hopefully insane damage dealing capabilities. However one problem that I'm facing with this build is that I'm missing exactly 1 feat to take Power Attack.
I thought about removing Imp. Critical Slashing and using Mineral II Khopeshes instead of Radiance. It would still hurt very much on banishing weaps etc. though. Another possibility would be to remove OTWF and use Kukris for my off-hand. What do you guys think about it? Any other input/advice is also welcome of course! Especially concerning enhancements, alignment(although there's not to choose from here) and skills. And do tell me what you think about the build in general please!
So long,
Dr. Goodspeed
Note: This is going to be a veteran char, so don't worry about feat order between lvls 1-4 in case you want to criticize there.
Here's a little more comprehensive list of the enhancements.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.18 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Female (6 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 13 Rogue) Hit Points: 288 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 15 Reflex: 19 Will: 9 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 16 23 25 Dexterity 16 18 22 Constitution 14 16 16 Intelligence 12 14 14 Wisdom 8 10 10 Charisma 8 10 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 7 11 17 Bluff -1 0 4 Concentration 2 3 3 Diplomacy 3 23 23 Disable Device 5 25 25 Haggle -1 0 0 Heal -1 0 2 Hide 3 6 8 Intimidate -1 0 0 Jump 7 14 20 Listen -1 0 2 Move Silently 3 6 8 Open Lock 7 29 29 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 1 2 2 Search 5 25 26 Spot 3 23 23 Swim 3 7 7 Tumble 7 26 32 Use Magic Device 3 23 23 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Diplomacy (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Balance I Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I Level 2 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Level 3 (Fighter) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Healing Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General) Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Trip Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Level 4 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh Enhancement: Halfling Guile I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+3) Feat: (Automatic) Evasion Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Healing Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 7 (Rogue) Skill: Diplomacy (+5) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Balance II Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Healing Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I Level 10 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Level 11 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Halfling Guile II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Diplomacy (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+3) Skill: Use Magic Device (+3) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Diplomacy (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge Level 14 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Level 15 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III Enhancement: Fighter Strength II Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Diplomacy (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+3) Skill: Use Magic Device (+3) Enhancement: Halfling Guile III Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Diplomacy (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+3) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II Enhancement: Rogue Search I Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Level 1 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I
Level 2 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Level 3 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Level 4 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Level 6 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Balance II
Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II
Level 9 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Level 10 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Level 12 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Level 13 (Rogue)
Level 14 (Fighter)
Level 15 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Level 16 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Level 18 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Level 19 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
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Thread: Dragonmark Kensai Build
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03-22-2010, 08:02 AM #1Community Member
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Dragonmark Kensai Build - Opinions please!
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03-22-2010, 08:07 AM #2Community Member
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PA > OTWF, if you start to miss turn it off.
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03-22-2010, 10:39 AM #3Community Member
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Sry, already gotta push this. Keen on opinions! :>
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03-22-2010, 06:49 PM #4Community Member
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Could going ranger 6 be any better?
A halfling walks into a bar with a mephit on his shoulder. The bartender says "Hey, that's pretty cool. Where'd you get it?" The mephit says "Korthos Island. They're everywhere."
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03-22-2010, 09:15 PM #5Community Member
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Taking ranger 6 without taking tempest costs you:
32hp (6levels at 2 per +20 from fighter toughness)
1 feat (gain TWF, ITWF; lose 3 fighter feats + weapon specialization req for kensai)
+1 to hit and damage, +2 seeker (from kensai weapon mastery)
+1 to combat feat DCs, +1 to diplomacy (from kensai)
+2 weapon damage (from weapon specialization)
in exchange you free up 10AP, gain 24 skill points (and search as a class skill), Ram's Might, and 2 favored enemies, plus some miscellany that doesn't figure in, like wild empathy (oooh).
If you do take tempest, you lose 3 more feats for 10% alacrity.
Dr. Goodspeed:
Consider taking rogue haste boost III and IV, unless you expect to use you haste boosts exclusively for Showtime.Last edited by Artos_Fabril; 03-22-2010 at 09:18 PM.
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03-22-2010, 09:20 PM #6Community Member
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kensai 6 is weak
18 rogue/2 fighter is a good split
i could see 12 fighter/7 rogue/1 monk as a build
lose the dms, they are useless at end game for this type of build
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03-23-2010, 02:32 AM #7Community Member
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I did consider it in fact, but I'm quite short on action points with this build. Maybe I'll try to cut some corners and get Haste Boost III.
Originally Posted by Artos_Fabril
I disagree. 18rogue/2 fighter is rarely a good split imo because you trade 1d6 sneak dmg and a rogue bonus feat for a fighter bonus feat. Originally Posted by CSFurious
Fighter 12/Rogue 7/1 Monk? Don't like it. You get evasion, you get some nice skill points, but no rogue bonus feats, no imp. uncanny dodge, and only minor sneak attack dmg. It's just not worth taking 7 rogue levels for imho.
However I considered creating a 12 fighter build but completely without any rogue splash. Probably more something like Fighter 12/Ranger 6/Monk 2. However I wanted to make maximum use of the Halfling enhancements and I don't think Halfling Guilde works like Backstabbing on a weapon. You only receive bonus sneak attack damage when you actually sneak attack, not when the attack would qualify as a sneak attack afaik. Thus I'm kind of stuck with at least 13 Rogue levels if I want to play a halfling.
Lose the DM's? No way. They become kind of useless in the very very late endgame when you're no fail on heal scrolls but that's a looong way to go. Until then the Dragonmarks(especially Greater) are absolutely priceless imho. Furthermore with 8char not having Skill Focus: UMD you need a lot of equip/buffs/clickies to be no fail on heal scrolls so they can't be used in the heat of battle most of the times or to drop a quick heal on someone. Consequently Greater Dragonmark is still viable and very convenient for endgame content imho.
So long,
Goodspeed
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03-23-2010, 03:01 AM #8Community Member
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looks to me like you are taking rogue solely for the sneak attack boosts, and UMD. Albeit these are awesome abilities to have if you dont splash the rogue lvls and went more fighter your likely to end up with higher dmg in the end anyhow. considering otwf w/ min2 khopeshs you can get high dps. your dmg would only really suffer from your current build when there is an intim tank or someone pushing more dps than you. if you went with fighter your base dps will be high enough to still do considerable dmg, and you would lose the umd but is it really that important as a dps build. IMHO no. I play an intimitank with DWA and shield gone kensai and still do more dmg than the rogues in my groups just from the crits/ cleave/ g cleave which you can add into the buiild with PA and the extra feats.
Remember DPS doesnt mean against a single target. =D
Also Kensai 1 is a nice increase but Ken2, and 3 are where the dps is really built up. 8 str clicky for 1 min 7 times per ret, and +1 crit chance
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03-23-2010, 03:22 AM #9Community Member
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Can you present any calculations to back up your claims? And how do you know how much damage the rogues in your grp do? Killing Blows? You know that killing blows =/= damage, do you? No offense, but I think you have no idea how much damage sneak attack adds with all the enhancements... Originally Posted by emperorling81
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03-23-2010, 04:20 PM #10Community Member
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After some thinking I decided that I'll probably drop OTWF and take Power Attack instead, since this build should have plenty to hit. I'll take Power attack at lvl 18 though so I can take Imp. Critical Slashing earlier.
More opinions and input please!
So long,
Goodspeed
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