Another "Help me with my Pali build" Thread

[CrunK.]

If you see my post #11 you will see the build that I am trying to follow. I went to spend action points on the enhancements listed in the build and I found only one I was allowed to buy at the time. Which enhancements, in order, should I be getting according to that build. Or maybe I am having trouble understanding it.

Also I was searching for "Drow weapon damage" but could not find it at all. IS it the same as "Drow melee damage?"

[Gercho]

If you see my post #11 you will see the build that I am trying to follow. I went to spend action points on the enhancements listed in the build and I found only one I was allowed to buy at the time. Which enhancements, in order, should I be getting according to that build. Or maybe I am having trouble understanding it.

Also I was searching for "Drow weapon damage" but could not find it at all. IS it the same as "Drow melee damage?"

Yes, drow melee damage, gives you bonus to damage with rapiers and short sword, in general the benefit of khopesh over rapier for a drow is small so taking khopesh feat is not worthy.

About the order of the enhancements, not sure, most enhancements have some action point spent pre requisites, did you took toughness feat at lvl 1?
You can try taking the ones you can take, finish and train again, that may enable other enhancements.

[Gercho]

That's it. He's not using ranged to the exclusion of melee, he's just using it until melee is imminent. And he LIKES it. In my ever-so-humble opinion, that's worth the use of the extra human bonus feat. Especially for a character that he's gonna reroll anyway.

Get off his funfactor, please!

-Dartanyn

When melee is inminent you should use the time to buff/rebuff yourself

Anyway, if you have fun its allways a valid reason, but we cant evaluate how much fun someone has with a feat, so we advice in terms of game efficiency not in terms of subjective unknowable fun factor :P

[Vormaerin]

To change that build to khopesh, you would take Khopesh feat at lvl 6 instead of extend and push the rest of the list back one, dropping power attack. You'd also take Improved Crit: Slashing instead of piercing and spend the 3 APs of Drow melee damage on something else that amuses you.

Your first four APs on that build should be Paladin Toughness I, Extra Smiting I, and Follower of the Sovereign Host regardless of whether you go Khopesh or rapier.

[Cedwin]

doh! Thanks for that I had forgot about that. But still it does not show enough. I guess I gotta break down and take the time to type it all up.

FYI, you can add /log to the end of your my.ddo.com url and view feats taken, skills, ability increases, etc.

http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/gnolan/log

[CrunK.]

Cool Cedwin thanks. But it says no events for my new toon: http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/tydon/log

Vormaerin, yes I took those four first. The new toon is at level 3 right now with 3 AP to spend. I am having trouble figuring out what enhancements on the build list I am using are actually called when I go to choose them. Thats my only hold up from spending action points right now.

[TechNoFear]

Don't worry too much about your enhancements, you can reset them as required (every 3 days). I redo mine each level or so (ie redo at 6th to get the KotC requirements).

To change that build to khopesh, you would take Khopesh feat at lvl 6 instead of extend and push the rest of the list back one, dropping power attack.

IMO this is a bad move. A Drow paladin does not have the extra feat required.

Khopesh is an expensive weapon to buy (because they are the most desired weapon unless an elf/drow or dwarf). Though at 14 you can create Holy Sword versions other weapons will be expensive.

You WANT Power Attack for the +5 dam to each hand, multiplied on crits.

Paladins Exhalted Smite increases crit range ('Threat' range or number of crits) and multiplier (amount of damage) so you want a weapon with a high 'Threat' range. Scimitar has the highest possible and with the Drow melee dam enhancements will do similar damage to a Khopesh (because it crits more often but but not cost a feat).

[Vormaerin]

Don't worry too much about your enhancements, you can reset them as required (every 3 days). I redo mine each level or so (ie redo at 6th to get the KotC requirements).



IMO this is a bad move. A Drow paladin does not have the extra feat required.

Khopesh is an expensive weapon to buy (because they are the most desired weapon unless an elf/drow or dwarf). Though at 14 you can create Holy Sword versions other weapons will be expensive.

You WANT Power Attack for the +5 dam to each hand, multiplied on crits.

Paladins Exhalted Smite increases crit range ('Threat' range or number of crits) and multiplier (amount of damage) so you want a weapon with a high 'Threat' range. Scimitar has the highest possible and with the Drow melee dam enhancements will do similar damage to a Khopesh (because it crits more often but but not cost a feat).

Of course you do. But he already has the standard build laid out and asked how to change it to use a khopesh. Power attack is the only thing you can give up realistically. I don't think its the best way to go, but its not a disaster.

Not sure why you are talking about scimitars. He's a drow, not an elf. Do you mean rapier? If so, that's true. But it doesn't really answer his question and was covered already in the thread. Exalted Smite and Divine Sacrifice are important, but they are still only a small fraction of the paladin's overall attacks.

[CrunK.]

I decided to stick to the sample build and not use the Khopesh.

It also seems that you can now view quest progress for my new toon but nothing else ATM at myDDO. I guess it takes a while for it to update new characters because I can see everything about my old.

What kind of gear should I be looking for (besides tomes) to take maximum advantage of the Drow Pali TWF build or make up for my weaknesses? Rapiers or short sword or one of each? What kind of armor, hvy plate, medium...what? What kind of items should I be looking for? I fully intend to use my lvl 9 Human Pali to feed my Drow gear and money ...like I have so far.

I need some clarity on the enhancements still. Here is the list of enhancements for the build I am following. Like I have said before I am having a hard time locating the enhancements the list contains. Next to the ones I have already I listed their specific title as it appears in the game. For clarities sake could someone please help me out by listing the enhancements full in game title so I am not left muddling through?

Here is what i have so far with 4 AP to spend ATM:

Enhancements:

Knight of the Chalice 1-3 (8 ap)
Courage of Good 1-2 (3 ap, pre-req)
Energy of the Templar 1-2 (3 ap, pre-req)
Divine Sacrifice 1-3 (6 ap)
Divine Might 1-4 (10 ap)
Extra Lay on Hands 1-3 (6 ap)
Extra Smiting 1-4 (10 ap, pre-req) Paladin: Extra Smite: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Exalted Smiting 1-4 (10 ap)
Racial Toughness 1-2 (3 AP)
Paladin Toughness 1-2 (3 ap) Toughness: Paladin Toughness I
Follower of the Sovereign Host (2 ap, pre-req) Faith Basic Tenets: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Unyielding Sovereignty (4 ap, pre-req)
Paladin Weapons of Good (2 ap)
Drow weapon damage 1-2 (6 ap) Drow Melee Damage I
Paladin Charisma I (if needed for even)
2 action points of your choice

I hope I picked the right ones.

[Cedwin]

Cool Cedwin thanks. But it says no events for my new toon: http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/tydon/log

That is odd, I think they are having problems with myddo lately. I've noticed the logs and guild rosters take forever to load most of the time.

Anyways, once it's working correctly, the log is a good place to see everything about your character.

[Vormaerin]

:

Enhancements:

Knight of the Chalice 1-3 (8 ap) Paladin: Prestige Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice
Courage of Good 1-2 (3 ap, pre-req) Paladin: Aura of Courage: Fear Resistance: Courage of Good
Energy of the Templar 1-2 (3 ap, pre-req) Spell Points: Energy of the Templar
Divine Sacrifice 1-3 (6 ap) Paladin: Divine Sacrifice
Divine Might 1-4 (10 ap) Turn Undead: Divine Might
Extra Lay on Hands 1-3 (6 ap) Paladin: Extra Lay on Hands
Extra Smiting 1-4 (10 ap, pre-req) Paladin: Extra Smite: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Exalted Smiting 1-4 (10 ap) Paladin: Exalted Smiting
Racial Toughness 1-2 (3 AP) Racial Toughness
Paladin Toughness 1-2 (3 ap) Toughness: Paladin Toughness I
Follower of the Sovereign Host (2 ap, pre-req) Faith Basic Tenets: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Unyielding Sovereignty (4 ap, pre-req) Faith: Advanced Belief: Unyielding Sovereignty.
Paladin Weapons of Good (2 ap) Capstone Enhancement: Paladin Weapon of Good
Drow weapon damage 1-2 (6 ap) Drow Melee Damage I
Paladin Charisma I (if needed for even) Stat: Charisma: Paladin Charisma
2 action points of your choice

I hope I picked the right ones.

Here you go

[CrunK.]

Oh my, thank you!

[Jasimine]

Crunk if your new drow paladin is on Sarlona look up Sorentia sometime. I play a drow paladin there very similar to the stock build (A few enhancements and weapons changed for personal preferance) and will be happy to lend a hand when and were able.

[CrunK.]

I am goign to use my feat exchange on my human paladin Gnolan and then re-do my enhancements. Which feat should I give up and which one should I get and how should I re-do my enhancements. No I am not giving up my Great Crossbow exotic feat.

Basically I want to try and salvage this toon any way I can. Any input on making him a more useful party member would be greatly appreciated.

[Shishizaru]

I am goign to use my feat exchange on my human paladin Gnolan and then re-do my enhancements. Which feat should I give up and which one should I get and how should I re-do my enhancements. No I am not giving up my Great Crossbow exotic feat.

Basically I want to try and salvage this toon any way I can. Any input on making him a more useful party member would be greatly appreciated.

If you're deadset on using Great Crossbow, my suggestion to exchange Weapon Focus: Slashing instead. You'll want the THF line (Two Handed Fighting, Improved Two Handed Fighting, Greater Two Handed Fighting). The last feat (or swap, w/e) as Extend will probably be better than Weapon Focus. Stay pure for the Capstone.

Taking Extend at 15 or 18 shouldn't be too big a deal. Divine Favor costs the same Extended as it does to recast (I think), but Zeal is cheaper with Extend vs 2x casting. Since you get Zeal at 14, waiting one level for Extend doesn't seem too bad.

Enhancement wise, still looks rather similar to the Drow version. I would suggest going for KoTC still. Max your LoH's, Divine Might II (at the very least - note that this will require you to use a +2 tome), Divine Sacrifice (full line), Exalted Smite (full line). Since you don't have Racial bonuses to weapons, maybe something like Human Improved Recovery. Works nicely with your LoH's.

[CrunK.]

My Drow Palli just leveled to 7. I have been following Junts build like he has in his thread and I have a couple of questions.

1) I noticed that I have the Exotic Weapon Proficency for Shuriken feat. I surley did not pick this. Does it come with all Drow or something? Can I switch it out with Fred?

2)I also noticed that I can't equip spells in a tavern. I have been following this suggested build "by the letter" and wonder if this build is even supposed to be able to use its spell points or not.