Experts please take a look. Human THF Pure Barb

[Grizlee]

Hello and thanks for taking a look.

My intention is to build a Human Barbarian that follows the well understood ( if you read any at all anyway ) guide lines for a party barbarian. I like to solo a fair bit but understand there are far better classes to do that with, still this should be o.k. in certain crawls I would think.

I've read a ton of the Barb builds and came to the conclusions that 1) It's hard to screw up a pure barbarian and 2) saves can be an issue if not attended to. To that end I've built BiPolar Pauline. Have I missed anything or not taken anything far enough? This will be my first Barb and I have the tomes in the bank waiting ( I'll buy the +1 tome from the DDO store )

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BiPolar Pauline
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Female
(20 Barbarian) 
Hit Points: 472
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 8
Will: 8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             18                 27                   30
Dexterity            11                 14                   14
Constitution         16                 20                   24
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               11                 14                   14
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                 13                   13
Bluff                -1                  0                    0
Concentration         3                  7                    7
Diplomacy            -1                  0                    0
Disable Device       n/a                n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                  0                    0
Heal                  1                  2                    2
Hide                  1                  2                    2
Intimidate            3                 23                   23
Jump                  8                 33                   33
Listen                3                 25                   25
Move Silently         1                  2                    2
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                  0                    0
Search               -1                  0                    0
Spot                  1                  2                    2
Swim                  4                 22                   22
Tumble                2                  3                    3
Use Magic Device     n/a                n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution III


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Might

Thank you ahead of time for any help or suggestions.

Edit: I meant THW of course .. not sure how I fat fingered a F ..

[vindicater]

I like it quite a bit right down the lines I am planning on making my next barbarian if half orcs dont get here first. The only thing I saw you will wish you had done different is make sure to take frenzied bezerker 111 at 18. Its just that good. Wish I was as lucky with my tomes as you are planing on being.

[lolwatboomer]

Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I

^ doesn't exist anymore

but no worries, FBIII > crit rage anyways

[Grizlee]

Thanks all of you. I have the advantage of having a brother and a few good friends who have many many years invested and had tomes in their respective banks. They pulled me in from another MMO After reading as much as I have on these forums I know how lucky I am to have those.

I didn't know about the Barbarian critical rage. I was going off the character planner and reading each item as they became available.

@Consumer Spot is not a class skill so would be nil compared to listen which is a class skill. Is Listen that bad that I'd want a neutered spot ( HA !!! ) ? I invested in jump just because it was extra points and thought a class skill would suffice for the investment. You say 10 points only, but on the other class forums they say take it to "x" level then get to the cap of 40 with a scroll or spell. Is that not necessary with a Barb? I admit ignorance so appreciate any light on the subject. Given the advice would it be best to forgo listen and spot altogether and invest in UMD? Would that be needed if I plan to run in full parties most of the time? Sorry I didn't mention HOW I would be playing and with whom. I guess that would have been good information.

Thanks guys ( and gals if applicable ! )

[Grizlee]

Ok reworked with the advice given. I'm 10 HP short of my first build but looks like I got most of what I attempted before in. I took extend rage IV in lieu of human improved recovery II. Should I swap them back?

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BiPolar Pauline
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Female
(20 Barbarian) 
Hit Points: 462
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 8
Will: 8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             18                 27                   30
Dexterity            11                 14                   14
Constitution         16                 20                   24
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               11                 14                   14
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                 13                   13
Bluff                -1                  0                    0
Concentration         3                  7                    7
Diplomacy            -1                  0                    0
Disable Device       n/a                n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                  0                    0
Heal                  1                  2                    2
Hide                  1                  2                    2
Intimidate            3                 23                   23
Jump                  8                 24                   24
Listen                1                  2                    2
Move Silently         1                  2                    2
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                  0                    0
Search               -1                  0                    0
Spot                  1                 13                   13
Swim                  4                 10                   10
Tumble                2                  3                    3
Use Magic Device      0                 11                   11

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Enhancement: Barbarian Might
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution III

[Consumer]

At level 20 you'll be rocking atleast 20 mins of rage per shrine so you would get more use out of the healing amp. Maxing out enhancements lines is often not worth the AP investment as each tier has an increased cost for the same gain.

You'd be best off just adapting shades max dps build from WF to human.

[Consumer]

Take your power attack enhancements as late as possible and your extend and extra rage enhancements as early as possible.

Listen is worthless, take spot instead. Don't put skill points into swim, its useless for a barb and also a str based skill, put your points into skills more worthwhile like UMD. Jump only needs 10 points total to help while leveling.

Feats in this order:

Toughness
THF
PA
Cleave
IC-slashing
ITHF
GTHF
Stunning Blow