New Named items?

[Shade]

Yea if you had that chain or docent on, a cocordant op and demon bracers on a Barbarian.. You'd be effectively increases your DR by quite a huge amount.

Could probably tank certain bosses while shield blocking and almost never needing a heal, even if they get through your DR.

On a Dwarf barb, the epic form could possibly be the best overall defensive armor available. Tho unless they have some form of healing amp on it, I dunno if I'd bother.

On a Warforged? Hmm, the docent of defiance would stil win I believe. Unless you needed the mobility the blademark will allow. (somewhere like VoN6 where you need to dodge the Dragonsbreath it could be quite nice)

[Diarden]

So as a Barb, you would have the epic version of the chain shirt for tanking, and epic marilith for dpsing?

[BlackSteel]

[QUOTE=Shade;2843584]Yea if you had that chain or docent on, a cocordant op and demon bracers on a Barbarian.. You'd be effectively increases your DR by quite a huge amount.

Could probably tank certain bosses while shield blocking and almost never needing a heal, even if they get through your DR.

/QUOTE]

while i love the dq bracers for almost all content, they're a huge handicap for certain raid bosses. The negative levels arent normally a big deal, but say on horoth or for harry(hard/elite) they can be quite detrimental. Horoth is what? 2-3 melee swings a second if he's not casting. You can rack up the negatives pretty quickly. Not to mention that the cold shield from vod bracers prevent alot of damage anyway on pit fiends.

[Cyr]

Yea if you had that chain or docent on, a cocordant op and demon bracers on a Barbarian.. You'd be effectively increases your DR by quite a huge amount.

Did I miss the epic version of the chain being posted? If not the non-epic version adds ~1.5 DR to a toon wearing it. That's not bad, but certainly not going to change the dynamics of what you can and can not tank.

[Dylos_Moon]

Can someone please epic the bracers? I'll be your best friend. . .

Not likely I can't exactly solo the quests to make them epic, and even if I could, I'd probably have to lesser +3 (lessers are still really cheap on lamannia btw) my cleric or my wiz/rog to have a few monk levels to see if there was any changes in the stance effects.

Although if someone wants to set up some epic runs of the new content to get some scrolls seals and shards, I might be able to go, I'm bored with the live servers anyway. Battle Cleric or Wizard/Rogue is all I got that can run epic on lamannia, and I didn't transfer the smart way so my potions both bound and unbound are not very high in number.

[Jay203]

hehe, it's going to be hard seting up EPIC runs on the test server, but i'm certainly interested =)

[houxer1]

has anyone gotten a chance to upgrade any of them into epic yet?

[Shade]

hehe, it's going to be hard seting up EPIC runs on the test server, but i'm certainly interested =)

I'd have them all beat already if they'd let me play them.

[Shade]

while i love the dq bracers for almost all content, they're a huge handicap for certain raid bosses. The negative levels arent normally a big deal, but say on horoth or for harry(hard/elite) they can be quite detrimental. Horoth is what? 2-3 melee swings a second if he's not casting. You can rack up the negatives pretty quickly. Not to mention that the cold shield from vod bracers prevent alot of damage anyway on pit fiends.

Yea I stopped using them too, just added them for completions sake on all the temp HP procs.

There not too bad if your in the mood to yell on the mic for restores every few seconds lol.. But that just starts to annoy everyone fast.

Still hopeing the epic form either removes the neg lvls, or greatly reduces there procrate. Haven't heard anything on that yet.. Just need the scroll to craft them and findout.

has anyone gotten a chance to upgrade any of them into epic yet?

No one's even posted a single completion or attempt at the new quests. Apparently everyone who likes to run epic on Lamannai (we beat every quest fairly fast in the VoN series) are Premium accounts, which aren't allowed to test the new stuff.
Even then, in the history of the game epics were never discovered on lamnania. The first epic took me over a week of solid grinding to get and post on live - some 20+ runs, with allot of help from others in the grp giving me items.

At this rate they may all be released totally broken as there aren't enough VIPs to get any real feedback on them.

[Delacroix21]

Even then, in the history of the game epics were never discovered on lamnania. The first epic took me over a week of solid grinding to get and post on live - some 20+ runs, with allot of help from others in the grp giving me items.

At this rate they may all be released totally broken as there aren't enough VIPs to get any real feedback on them.

Thus we see the usefullness of DDO "testing." I want to ask the Devs straight out how they expect new items tested without letting them drop 100%? This is the test realm, not live, you dont honestly expect players to continuously farm them do you? How long will it take? Will we wait till just ONE person completes the epic item then rely 100% on whatever his or her opinion is on if the items procs work/bonuses stack/etc?


Please make these items 100% drop so they can be tested.


P.S. I know from previous Dev posts that they skip over threads they feel are no longer constructive (like all the Pale Master complaint threads) but really this is an issue with DDO testing that needs to be acknowledged. It took literally months and months for all the Epic desert items to be upgraded alone. =(

[Jay203]

I'd have them all beat already if they'd let me play them.

lol, i can get you guest pass =)

[asphodeli]

Could definitely see this being held as one of the weapon combos on any Singing/Facinating Bard. I suspect the rate is probably gonna be on the order of 1 song per minute or something like that, otherwise it would be too much (IMO). Kinda like the REGEN rate from Trollish Ring or the Worldshaper CLoak.

On a high CHA Bard, you could easily be +10 more to hit using CHA as your basis. Now I grant, other than love taps, you will not be a killing machine holding this, but that is not the intent from what I see.

The key for weather anyone bothers with it at higher levels will be the changes it sees when Epicified.

Right now, an active singer can easily run out of songs between shrines in the mid levels. This will make it more viable to fascinate more often.

One seriously good thing that they have done is convert a lot of items like this to Bind to ACCOUNT, instead of character. That is a very very good decision.

Unlimited songs FTW!

[Cyr]

P.S. I know from previous Dev posts that they skip over threads they feel are no longer constructive (like all the Pale Master complaint threads) but really this is an issue with DDO testing that needs to be acknowledged. It took literally months and months for all the Epic desert items to be upgraded alone. =(

Yes, the devs skip over threads they 'feel are no longer constructive', which actually just means any thread that does not conform to their views (in other words any thread critical of something they have done). I never would have thought this before this point, because even I was not that cynical about Turbine development. Now with the MadFloyd post about Pale Master it is almost impossible not to

As to the quoted posters point about epic items I would wholeheartedly agree, but I know even if we had full access to them and gave constructive comments it would be extremely rare for a change to go in once something hit lama before it hits live. Particularly over loot where the devs have shown a particular disconnect from the player base and tone deafness.

[lolwatboomer]

This is a fantastic item, that I'm positive will see use on my warforged characters up to mid level and likely at cap in some situations. What springs to mind with this sort of feature on a piece of armor is of course concordant opposition from a greensteel item, but that procs at what..1%?

If this is released as is, it will be on all my toons and the chain armor counterpart for my fleshies.

ml 5 docent with... lifeshield? wow. sign me up.

lifeshield = 10%, 15 hp
conc opp = ~5%, 30 hp
= dr 1.5

they would be quite interesting alongside each other (as they stack), but I'm pretty sure I'd be better off using it until I can put on a dod or my dt docent... but it will be amazing alongside my dob as a twink item. Hell, it'd be better than a dod if youre just dealing with trashies/zerging and dont want to deal with the dod's crippling effect - I'm VERY interested in seeing how good the epic version is.

[Kyrn]

Since lifeshield procs against hits (as opposed to damage) alone it can, depending on circumstance be better than DR, especially if you have some DR to start with.

[LeLoric]

No one's even posted a single completion or attempt at the new quests. Apparently everyone who likes to run epic on Lamannai (we beat every quest fairly fast in the VoN series) are Premium accounts, which aren't allowed to test the new stuff.
Even then, in the history of the game epics were never discovered on lamnania. The first epic took me over a week of solid grinding to get and post on live - some 20+ runs, with allot of help from others in the grp giving me items.

At this rate they may all be released totally broken as there aren't enough VIPs to get any real feedback on them.

I've soloed two of the quests on epic on my wiz. Bug reports were filed both for the fact that I was able to solo it using techniques obviously not intended and for other issues. Didn't see any scrolls seals or shards and the end epic purple chest had no token. Due to the nature of the bugs I actually felt it best not to post screenies.

[Zenako]

Given the low populations out there, and many other things to do with our lives, I suspect many of the testers are content to try out the setting, looking for issues (as the poster above did) but have little interest in farming the quests enough to get all the stuff that might be needed, just for a character that could be flushed at any moment.

I know I have played and tried all the settings, but often end up doing it solo due to no one else on. Was able to hook up with a couple of others back when the Dreaming Dark set came out so one of us had enough stuff to upgrade one item, but that took the better part of an afternoon. Once we saw one and could estimate the type of upgrade, we saw no reason to spend lots more time on it.

Since most of the toons on the server were ported over a while back, all accumulations of tokens etc since then on live servers is not captured. They could help this by enabling us to migrate the same character over again. So what if we manage to bring over extra stuff to the test server, unless it might break things with unique ID codes being duplicated...if we had handed over non bound stuff to other characters on the test server ?

[Shade]

I've soloed two of the quests on epic on my wiz. Bug reports were filed both for the fact that I was able to solo it using techniques obviously not intended and for other issues. Didn't see any scrolls seals or shards and the end epic purple chest had no token. Due to the nature of the bugs I actually felt it best not to post screenies.

Awesome. As broken as I imagined.

You should post feedback on those in the official feedback threads.

As bug reports never reach the devs, as the bug reprot system itself is bugged. But they do appear to be reading the feedback threads.

[Riggs]

I've yet to hear about any items for healers. What motivation would a healer have to join an epic for this gear? For the fun of getting others items they need? I wish that the loot tables atleast offered something for each party type, even if it was just a decent item. The docent doesnt seem worthwhile to switch out my quarforged on my fighter.

Not saying the loot tables are bad- the monk bracers are awsome for sure. But for people like myself who dont play monks I guess parties need to BYOH. I felt similarly about von6 not having healer specific gear but atleast could pass down shards to my fighters. Maybe I'm just in a bitter mood, it is earlly and I havent had my coffee yet.

Ill repeat what I have posted in other threads, and even threads I have started about clerics and this very topic.

When it comes to considering clerics when making named items - Turbines doesnt. In the hundreds of named items in the game, maybe a couple are actually good for clerics - while there are dozens and dozens that are far better for arcanes.

Favored souls got added before clerics even got anything useful for prestige enhancements - I would be completely unshocked to find the next couple updates add cool stuff for Fvs and clerics yet again get nothing.

I love playing my other characters because they actually get stuff from raids and have fun doing it. My clerics? Hmm Stormreaver napkin - a wiz item that adds +1 dc to spells...and +6 int. Green blade...with ARCANE lore. And maybe 4 items that all have some kind of devotion on them - big whoop devotion comes on random clubs too.

So..new mod - clerics get bupkus? Thats DDO for 4 years.

[Riggs]

This is a fantastic item, that I'm positive will see use on my warforged characters up to mid level and likely at cap in some situations. What springs to mind with this sort of feature on a piece of armor is of course concordant opposition from a greensteel item, but that procs at what..1%?

If this is released as is, it will be on all my toons and the chain armor counterpart for my fleshies.

Except that Invulnerability doesnt work on 'magic' weapons. And pretty much most monsters past level 10 or so use magic weapons.

So I wouldnt plan on using a +3 lifeshield docent on level 20 content if I were you.