Allow hierlings into raids

[Pyromaniac]

Time to allow some hirelings into raids...

[Visty]

why?
too many noobs in your groups?

hirelings wont perform better

[Hendrik]

I have to second the 'why'?



Barely useful as is and to put them into a Raid situation, yikes!

I think they would be more harmful then useful and a drain on the party as a whole. Who is going to take time while in a Raid to stop what they are doing and instruct a Henchmen?

[ebit157]

For when the entire party wipes opening the raid chest in VON6.

[Pyromaniac]

Takes too long to fill some raids, and why not? Hirelings are pretty inexpensive. They'd be only marginally useful, but probably better than an empty spot.

[Creeper]

I won't say that hirelings should be allowed into raids, but i will say that they are beyond useful when used properly.

You don't need to "stop and instruct a henchmen" any more than you need to stop and click anything else on your hotbar, as that is what instructing your henchmen is comprised of—point and click healing.

Hirelings are often invaluable when used correctly.

[Hendrik]

Takes too long to fill some raids, and why not? Hirelings are pretty inexpensive. They'd be only marginally useful, but probably better than an empty spot.

Debatable.





What are the 'some Raids' Pyro?

Abbot? ToD?

Sure the Henchmen is inexpensive but expensive to the members that need to keep him alive or rez him over and over. Is someone going to waste SP/resources to maintain the health of the Henchmen when they contribute little to nothing in a Raid situation?

Not to mention how woefully under-equipped they are for Raids.

[Creeper]

Sure the Henchmen is inexpensive but expensive to the members that need to keep him alive or rez him over and over. Is someone going to waste SP/resources to maintain the health of the Henchmen when they contribute little to nothing in a Raid situation?

That's a description of bad hireling control.

How valuable is that hireling when everyone is dead while it waits patiently and safely at the entrance, ready for your summons?

[Hendrik]

That's a description of bad hireling control.

How valuable is that hireling when everyone is dead while it waits patiently and safely at the entrance, ready for your summons?

In the proper hands a Henchmen is valuable, no doubt. I have doubt of their viability in Raids.

How valuable is that Henchmen casting Firewall and getting one/two-shotted in a Raid? The melee Henchmen with laughable gear and damage compared to what most L14/16's consider 'normal'?

Or are we just talking about only CLR Henchmen and having a pocket Healer? Do you want to enter a Raid with one of the CLRs is a bot?

[Creeper]

How valuable is that Henchmen casting Firewall and getting one/two-shotted in a Raid? The melee Henchmen with laughable gear and damage compared to what most L14/16's consider 'normal'?

Or are we just talking about only CLR Henchmen and having a pocket Healer? Do you want to enter a Raid with one of the CLRs is a bot?

Yeah, I am only talking about clerics. And I wouldn't have any problem entering a raid with a hireling as a pocket healer. I use them all the time in regular quests, even on my WF.

The cleric hirelings have much better AI than the other classes when put in defend mode.
You just have to keep them at a safe distance which is tricky but worth figuring out.

[Horrorscope]

I have no problem allowing them, if they work or not for you is a personal thing.

[Hendrik]

Yeah, I am only talking about clerics. And I wouldn't have any problem entering a raid with a hireling as a pocket healer. I use them all the time in regular quests, even on my WF.

The cleric hirelings have much better AI than the other classes when put in defend mode.
You just have to keep them at a safe distance which is tricky but worth figuring out.

The thought of myself, or 11 other Raid member having to 'rely' on a Henchmen CLR to stay alive gives me the willies!



Put a Henchmen CLR in a vital healing position reeks of disaster to me in a Raid situation. They can't scroll Heal or wand whip (lol) - once they are out of SP, that's it - dead weight unless there is a Shrine around the corner. Maybe a handfull of DV's if you get the right CLR to give to the human CLR.

I have no doubt of the usefulness of a Henchmen in a Quest setting when controlled by someone that know what they are doing, like you do Creeper. I have doubt when controlled by someone that does not and moreso when 11 other 'lives' depend on it.

[Creeper]

The thought of myself, or 11 other Raid member having to 'rely' on a Henchmen CLR to stay alive gives me the willies!

True, but one alive cleric hireling sitting at the entrance is much more useful than one dead cleric player-character in a party wipe. It all depends on the situation. Also, cleric hirelings use cure wands now.

[vettkinn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh0pLanufhg

If they are allowed in raids I will be able to solo them

[phalaeo]

I am only in support of this if Turbine allows us to look up our Hirelings on MyDDO for Fort and HP. I also want to be able to ask them how many completions they have on this toon and what weapons they have to bypass boss DR.

I mean, really- I was doing an Elite Amrath quest just last week and the Hireling died every two seconds. No way I'm letting *that* noob into my Shroud. I put him on my blacklist and made sure to tell everyone in guild not to group with this particular hireling.

PM me if you want the name.

[Hendrik]

True, but one alive cleric hireling sitting at the entrance is much more useful than one dead cleric player-character in a party wipe. It all depends on the situation. Also, cleric hirelings use cure wands now.

It does all depend on the situation, very true.

[Hendrik]

i Am Only In Support Of This If Turbine Allows Us To Look Up Our Hirelings On Myddo For Fort And Hp. I Also Want To Be Able To Ask Them How Many Completions They Have On This Toon And What Weapons They Have To Bypass Boss Dr.

I Mean, Really- I Was Doing An Elite Amrath Quest Just Last Week And The Hireling Died Every Two Seconds. No Way I'm Letting *that* Noob Into My Shroud. I Put Him On My Blacklist And Made Sure To Tell Everyone In Guild Not To Group With This Particular Hireling.

Pm Me If You Want The Name.

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[ZeroTakenaka]

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[IgorUnchained]

I am only in support of this if Turbine allows us to look up our Hirelings on MyDDO for Fort and HP. I also want to be able to ask them how many completions they have on this toon and what weapons they have to bypass boss DR.

I mean, really- I was doing an Elite Amrath quest just last week and the Hireling died every two seconds. No way I'm letting *that* noob into my Shroud. I put him on my blacklist and made sure to tell everyone in guild not to group with this particular hireling.

PM me if you want the name.

PM Sent

Im so tired of this kind of thing. I havent grabbed a hireling without checking him out on MyDDO in a long time. If he is geared out, what does he have to hide? I dont want him piking the quest while I have him sitting at the entrance the whole time.

Seriously though, I solo with hirelings all the time. If heals, DVs, and raise/res doesnt appeal to you, I can see why you would prefer an empty spot. Noone is suggesting that you bring a barbarian hireling to throw down with the Pit Fiend. Just take the time to check them out on MyDDO and if they pass the test, leave the cleric hireling in a safe spot to be summoned to you to be used when you need it.

A caster to heal WF or to throw a firewall or two could work for certain raids also, in my opinion.

[Uska]

No thanks dotn like them and wish they didnt exist