Raid loot...what would you do?

[Henrieta]

I pulled a Head of good fortune and put it up for roll. Then after I did so, someone offers to trade a bloodstone to the winner. I wanted to say that I would make the trade (since I had not passed it off to the roll winner yet), but felt that it would have been rude since I already said that I am putting the loot up for roll. The new HoGF owner makes the trade for a bloodstone.

What should I have done? I really could have used the bloodstone.

Should I have rolled on the item myself after the trade offer was made?
Should I have just negated the rolls and made the trade myself?

Next time I pull a piece of raid loot that I don't want or need, I am going to stop and think for a couple minutes, then ask if there are any offers for the item, and then put it up for roll if there are none.

Confused.

[EKKM]

Very poor form by the guy who won the roll. You should have said something or not allocated the item at that point unless you knew the were going to keep it or if they would trade a bloodstone to you.

[Gorby]

Hmm.... what would I have done...

Considering I did not need the Head, but could have used the Bloodstone - I would have stopped to think for a second and then announced that I wasn't comfortable with the trade offer and that since I already stated it was for roll, it would still go to the winner but on the condition that it does not get traded from the chest. I would have given it to the high roller then hoped that the winner was as honest as I. If it gets traded off, I would make a mental note to be cautious of both the buyer and seller in the future.

If I'd already announced that it was for roll, then I would not have negated it afterwards because then you become the bad guy to the rest of the group for being greedy. I guess it comes down to that if I can't use a piece of raid loot it has no real value to me and it probably wouldn't be a huge deal either way.

I learned long ago not to be hasty in telling the group that things are for roll. Take a minute to assess the situation and anyone who wants a chance at your loot is not going anywhere anytime soon. In the meantime you might get an offer that appeases you or realize that your guildy in group is on his rogue who has been looking for that piece for quite some time.

[Marr0w1]

I (and most other people I daresay) would have kept it and swapped it, and whoever had won the roll originally should understand on the premise that being 'given' rolled loot is a privilege, not a right.
If you pull something, its yours, even if common courtesy means you usually share it, you have the right to pass it to guildmates, keep it for another char of yours, or swap it for a bloodstone.

hope that helps

[Newtons_Apple]

Hmm.... what would I have done...

Considering I did not need the Head, but could have used the Bloodstone - I would have stopped to think for a second and then announced that I wasn't comfortable with the trade offer and that since I already stated it was for roll, it would still go to the winner but on the condition that it does not get traded from the chest. I would have given it to the high roller then hoped that the winner was as honest as I. If it gets traded off, I would make a mental note to be cautious of both the buyer and seller in the future.

If I'd already announced that it was for roll, then I would not have negated it afterwards because then you become the bad guy to the rest of the group for being greedy. I guess it comes down to that if I can't use a piece of raid loot it has no real value to me and it probably wouldn't be a huge deal either way.

I learned long ago not to be hasty in telling the group that things are for roll. Take a minute to assess the situation and anyone who wants a chance at your loot is not going anywhere anytime soon. In the meantime you might get an offer that appeases you or realize that your guildy in group is on his rogue who has been looking for that piece for quite some time.

I'd like to think people will be honest, but there is never a guarantee. And once they have the item in their possession, it's theirs to do with as they wish.

As for the OP's post, it might look greedy to recant your original statement, but until you pass the item it is still your loot, and therefore your decision.

If you treat this situation as a business decision, you became aware of a new opportunity (for the bloodstone) before the final deal was done and acted on it.

What you need to decide is do you really care what other people think about you that much in a computer game to sway your decision.

I like the advice Gorby gave at the end of his post - just wait a minute or two and see if something comes up.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I (and most other people I daresay) would have kept it and swapped it, and whoever had won the roll originally should understand on the premise that being 'given' rolled loot is a privilege, not a right.
If you pull something, its yours, even if common courtesy means you usually share it, you have the right to pass it to guildmates, keep it for another char of yours, or swap it for a bloodstone.

hope that helps

Once you have offered it up and the rolls have started, you've offered it up. It's rude to go back on your offer.

[Visty]

i would have added the winner who traded it away to my friends list cause as we know the friends list isnt for friends but rather the opposite

[LeLoric]

Once you have offered it up and the rolls have started, you've offered it up. It's rude to go back on your offer.

It's also rude to roll on an item with the intent of trading it. If someone takes an item on a roll it's with the intent that they use it people who abuse this generally don't run with me anymore.

[Mjoll]

Making yourself happy by breaking your word vs. making two other players happy at your expense by keeping your word? Nasty business, looks like a lose-lose situation, get the raid group mad or get mad yourself.

The person who got the bloodstone tried to offer you some sort of compensation? If not you should make him/her your "friend".

Once you have offered it up and the rolls have started, you've offered it up. It's rude to go back on your offer.

It's rude indeed but rolling for raid loot in order to pass it to someone else is ruder, especially when you make a profit from it.

[Dieseltrain]

Realistically, it all comes down to you. If you pulled it, it does not matter what you do with it. You can sell it, have other members roll on it, or trade it for whatever is being offered.

Yes, it is always nice to be courteous but lets face it. We all have items we need or want and when we get them, too bad to everyone else. Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but heck you pulled the item do what you wish with it.

[testing1234]

-the roller is "wrong" and so is the "trader"
logic for my judgment:
"trader"
when people offer item for roll the very fact that the other players roll for the item means they without words accept that the one offering the roll have the Right to decide, or the very lest power to decide what happens to the item. the "trader offerer" did something very sly that may be within his own moral code but he certainly understood it was outside your own by your offering roll instead of offering trade.
"roller":
since the roller had already acknowledged your power/right to item (by fact of rolling) and was now aware of what rule system for raid loot you were using. then he also cant help being aware of the fact he was putting his own moral code or lack of over your own.

this assumes trader and roller are not complete morons .... yeah this may be a rather large assumption.

if people dont acknowledge your right to put up a item for roll then obviously you cant use that system in that raid party and need have a backup plan

[Henrieta]

Wow, thank you everyone for your advice. IIRC, it was mostly a reaver pug, filled with strangers, so there wasn't much rep to lose, but I try to act decently in hopes that others will act decently towards me.
But from now on, I am waiting much longer before deciding to put items up for roll. I feel like if it's something someone really wants, they should declare it soon (after the person decides they do not need the item) and say that they would trade something for it.

I don't really like the concept of saying "ok I pulled this item, who wants to trade me something for it", but i do prefer "ok I pulled this item, i am putting it up for roll." But the latter statement will now be preceded by a pause, and an "I do not need this item".

Rep for everyone (when it lets me give more)

[Quarks]

If people haven't started rolling, yet, when the offer for the bloodstone is made, I would pipe up and announce that I am still going to honour my offer of putting it up for rolls, but the trade inside the chest will be made once the winner of the roll and myself are the only two people left in the area.
If after that announcement nobody rolls, I would offer it to the bloodstone guy FOR FREE.
In case he then forces the bloodstone onto me, cool. Otherwise, I already decided I would give the item away, so I would not make the bloodstone an obligatory part of the trade.

[Nahual]

Black list them both.

See this is how it should have gone. Before anyone opens the chest the trader should state "If anyone loots the HoGF I am willing to trade a bloodstone for it" This way once you got it you could have traded for it.

See he first waited for it to be up for roll then rolled on it and lost, and then still traded for it, really bad form.

The other thing, the guy that rolled on it did he actually need it? if he is trading it afterwards? He either didnt want it or really didnt care much for it and shouldnt have rolled on loot that he wouldnt use that much.

And I know you are thinking I could use the bloodstone but it isnt fair to all the other people that rolled on it also.

[Halock]

Its your loot to do with as you please.

This is the same debate that pops up from time to time here, ie. people in the raid feeling that they have a right to something that you pulled in your loot.
I'v won rolls in raids only to have the people i was with give it to a friend of theirs who rolled lower than me, no point throwing a tantrum over it, his loot to give his friends if he wants too, hell his loot to take and vendor if he wants too.

Yeah it sorta looks bad to say roll for an item then change your mind, but the item is yours to do what you want, no reason 2 others should profit off of YOUR item and you not get anything out of it, if the guy with the bloodstone spoke up earlier you never would have even offered it for roll, so whats really the difference if you decide to make the trade after he offers it.

The guy who won the roll would probably be upset, but i dont think typing /roll 1d69 gives him any sort of right to your loot, as i'v said, been on raids where it definitely didnt give me any, what i pull is mine to do with as i see fit, same with others.

Would be alot less problems with loot if people didnt see what others pulled and feel that they had some sort of entitlement to it.

[cdemeritt]

OK, I get lost easily sometimes, and only on my first cup of coffee....

So first let me make sure I have the story correct....

Raid is over, you see the HoGF in the chest for you, you don't need so you put it up for roll...

More than one roll on it?

after the roll is over someone (assuming they rolled on the item) who lost the roll offers (to you or the roll winner?) a bloodstone in trade.

At this point you still have HoGF in your name? The trade offer came after the roll or during?

What to do.... Well the trade offer after a roll is to me rude. If it were me, I offered the item for roll, I will pass it to someone who needs the item, and not try and trade it myself... Karma can be a B****, and you don't know in a couple days if someone might pass you something or not... seen it. many times "remember you did this for me the other day... here it's yours".

What at that point I would do is send a tell to the 2nd place winner and tell them not to leave the raid... then send a tell to the 1st place winner to see if they had any intent on completing the deal... (after all not everyone is GaGa over bloodstones... I've pulled 2 over the years and traded both of them away.) If 1st place winner said they had no intent on making the deal, I'd say wait until the guy who wanted to trade for it left the raid... then I will pass it... I'd send a tell to the guy who offered the bloodstone, telling him at this point the item will NOT go to him, I'll vendor it first, and please leave the raid.... once he left the raid I would pass it to either the 1st place winner if he really wanted it or to the 2nd place guy (hopefully still in the raid)... I don't care about what people do with "their loot" I just can't stand other people being greedy with my gift to them.

Also depending on the way things went down, would depend on how upset I'd be with the guy making the offer... The HoGF is sought by many... if more than 2 people rolled on it, and the offer was made after loosing the roll, then the guy was a jerk, and I'd be very upset with him... However, if there was only 1 person rolling, and it was clear that the guy making the offer was trying to type it in before the roll (I.E. he didn't roll on it), then I might be a little more polite about saying no, and give him a chance to roll.

Loot is the #1 issue in game... (in RL for that matter)... so you will never make everyone happy... and it sounds like a Loose- Loose situation to me... All you can really do is do what is right for you...

[BlackSteel]

its one thing for the guy to send you a tell and ask to trade; which is still in bad taste. But its a completely different low to offer to buy it from anyone who wins the roll.

I mightve looted it myself and sold it to the vender at that point.

And jeezus christ... drama over the head????

[valorik]

they were in the wrong, you did the right thing.

pm me with names?

[stazer]

its pretty simple if your names on the loot its yours...do what ever you want..know one is entitled to it other then you...and if someone announces they will trade a bloodstone AFTER you announce roll off..well..

the loot is yours.

[geoffhanna]

I think I would have retracted the roll offer, apologized to everyone, and offered it for the bloodstone.

If someone got mad at me for that, well, they have no right to my loot.

OTOH, if that happened to me, I would be annoyed, but at the guy with the bloodstone, not at the guy with the HoGF.