2WF Human bardbarian

[redstevi]

I have been trying to put together my first multiclass build and would appreciate your help.

The idea is to be able to buff up, enter a rage and then kill with lots of things with a pair of rapiers.

I used human for the extra feat and to get a decent starting str, dex, con and cha. I looked at Drow / WF but couldnt get the stats as high.

I took 2 levels of rogue for skills and evasion (didnt bother with any disable device or open lock)
I took 3 levels of barbarian for extend and extra rage.

ALIGNMENT: Chaotic Good

Stats:

Lvl 1: Lvl 20:

Str 16 Str 22
Dex 15 Dex 16
Con 15 Con 16
Int 8 Int 8
Wis 10 Wis 10
Cha 14 Cha 14

Level Progression:

Rogue
Bard
Barbarian
Rogue
Barbarian
Bard
Bard
Bard
Bard
Bard
Barbarian
Bard
Bard
Bard
Bard
Bard
Bard
Bard
Bard
Bard

ABILITY INCREASE:

All into Strength

FEATS:

Two Weapon Fighting, 1, 1,
Oversized Two Weapon Fighting, 1, 2,
Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons, 3, 1,
Power Attack, 6, 1,
Extend Spell, 9, 1,
Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons, 12, 1,
Two Weapon Defense, 15, 1,
Toughness, 18, 1,

ENHANCEMENTS:

Lvl 1 Rogue Haste Boost I
Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Lvl 2 Bard Extra Song I
Bard Inspired Bravery I
Bard Song Magic I
Bard Energy of the Music I
Bard Wand Mastery I
Lvl 3 Barbarian Willpower I
Bard Haggle I
Bard Perform I
Lvl 4 Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Rogue Dexterity I, 4,
Lvl 5 Barbarian Extend Rage
Barbarian Extra Rage I
Barbarian Constitution I
Lvl 6 Bard Inspired Damage I
Bard Lingering Song I, 6,
Human Adaptability Strength I
Lvl 7 Bard Inspired Attack I
Bard Lyric of Song I
Lvl 8 Bard Song Magic II
Lvl 9 Bard Inspired Bravery II
Bard Energy of the Music II
Bard Wand Mastery II
Lvl 10 Bard Lingering Song II
Bard Warchanter I, 10,
Lvl 11 Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Barbarian Power Rage I
Bard Inspired Damage II
Lvl 13 Bard Inspired Attack II
Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Lvl 14 Bard Energy of the Music III
Lvl 15 Bard Inspired Bravery III
Lvl 16 Bard Lingering Song III
Lvl 17 Bard Inspired Damage III
Lvl 18 Bard Inspired Attack III
Racial Toughness I
Barbarian Toughness I
Lvl 19 Bard Lingering Song IV
Lvl 20 Bard Energy of the Music IV

SKILLS:

Max perform, haggle and perform.

High balance, bluff and UMD

Rest mainly hide and move silent

SPELLS: 22,
Cure Light Wounds
Charm Person
Hypnotism
Cure Moderate Wounds
Blur
Focusing Chant
Hypnotic Pattern
Scare
Displacement
Haste
Soundburst
Cure Serious Wounds
Remove Curse
Good Hope
Fear
Dimension Door
Freedom of Movement
Shout
Greater Heroism
Mass Cure Light Wounds
Otto's Sphere of Dancing
Shadow Walk

I'm a little unsure with the skills from about half way and spells were a rough guess.

[ragwa1]

Why are you taking 3 barb lvls, and not 2?

[redstevi]

I think the third level of Barbarian gives you the Power Rage and Hardy Rage (Other than that, I don't know).

If they aren't worth the level then I'll go for something different.

[cyadra]

Two Weapon Defense...Bad
You don't have Improved Two Weapon Fighting...Bad

The problem with a Bard/Barb build is that people think they can go into a rage and whack everything to pieces and come out alive. It works with pure Barbs because they get d12 hitpoints per level, and pure attack bonuses per level so they can survive. Your CHA is to high, I suggest 12. Also, rapiers aren't the greatest weapons out there at all.

[redstevi]

Thanks for the feedback Cyadra, what weapons would you suggest instead of rapiers?

Would it be worth swapping the 2 Weapon Defence for something like Khopesh or would the extra feat be better used elsewhere?

I don't think the build gets to the required BAB (or maybe Dex) to take Improved 2WF.

I have been playing the build which is now at 4th level Rogue 2 / Bard 1 / Barbarian 1.
I have solod Korthos on elite and found it has been quite fun to play.

I haven't built a multiclass before so I am more than happy to listen to experience.

[cyadra]

Thanks for the feedback Cyadra, what weapons would you suggest instead of rapiers?

Would it be worth swapping the 2 Weapon Defence for something like Khopesh or would the extra feat be better used elsewhere?

I don't think the build gets to the required BAB (or maybe Dex) to take Improved 2WF.

I have been playing the build which is now at 4th level Rogue 2 / Bard 1 / Barbarian 1.
I have solod Korthos on elite and found it has been quite fun to play.

I haven't built a multiclass before so I am more than happy to listen to experience.

I built something similiar before, my suggestions:

If you want to rage up and go in and kill lots of things, then you want the best single handed weapon so you would need to go with a kopesh. You don't need 14 CHA, go down to 12 and pump up the CON. Swap the pierce stuff for slashing. You might want to throw in max spell feat when you need to heal yourself. It is a fun build, but you will need all the hp's you can get. I personally went 2 fighter instead of rogue for the feats, better hp, and str bonus.

If you aren't dead set on going 2WF this build did better for me with DPS:

2 Barb/2 Fight/16 Bard
Dwarf take all your axe enhancements. Get a carnifex axe.
Max out str and go 18 Con, rest into CHA. Take the standard 2HF feats and toughness, forget about AC in this build.
Max out your negotiate skill, while in a party use the negotiate skill to get mobs off of you, then come from behind them and wack them.
With the carnifex ax, raged, with the fighter haste boost, maxed out CON, and massive STR, not much survives especially when it doesn't want to attack you!