MyDDO and Privacy Rights

[Fenrisulven6]

....I'm still amazed that people don't understand what "hypothetical" means.

They want to go on and on about "my" gf/wife/boss

[Cedwin]

....I'm still amazed that people don't understand what "hypothetical" means.

They want to go on and on about "my" gf/wife/boss

They are answering your hypothetical question with hypothetical answers.

The simplest answer is, don't play ddo during work hours, or don't get caught.

As others have mentioned, you are playing Turbine's game, therefor you have no rights when it comes to your characters being displayed for everyone to see. They do in fact have the right to permanently delete your character anytime they want, or completely shut down the servers if they want to.. maybe read the EULA a little closer?

[Missing_Minds]

Thats not what the Founders and SCOTUS say. You should get an education.

And you should realize your "right" to scream "fire" only goes so far. What the Founders stated as well as what SCOTUS upholds applies ONLY to the US. If your "right" was truly inalienable as you imply, it would extend beyond that, but it does not.

[Impaqt]

They are the same in that you claimed if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. Now you claim other privacy issues are somehow "different". Backpedal.

What if we could all see your cell phones records, who you call and when? You've got nothing to hide, right Sirea?

Who are you calling???

Pretty sure my Boss has the "Right" to pull the phone records from my desk and Cell and see every call thats gone in and out. And I'm totally OK with that.

....I'm still amazed that people don't understand what "hypothetical" means.

We all understand what "Hypothetical" means. Its what People say before they ask a question when they want to pretend the question doesnt actually apply to themselves.

[Fenrisulven6]

And you should realize your "right" to scream "fire" only goes so far.

Non sequitur. Sounds nice but has nothing whatsoever to do with my point.

What the Founders stated as well as what SCOTUS upholds applies ONLY to the US. If your "right" was truly inalienable as you imply, it would extend beyond that, but it does not.

You don't understand the basic concepts. Inalienable rights are not "granted" by governments.

Pretty sure my Boss has the "Right" to pull the phone records from my desk and Cell

You think your boss has a right to examine your cell phone records? Really?

We all understand what "Hypothetical" means. Its what People say before they ask a question when they want to pretend the question doesnt actually apply to themselves.

No. Its hypothetical because 1) it hasnt happened to me and 2) I wanted to avoid all the idiots who would make it personal because they need MyDDO as a crutch.

Here it is again guys, the source of all your hostility:

Bottom line: Any feature that allows gf/wife/boss to see what hours you play is not a good thing.

Turbine, please allows users to go anonymous.

I can see how MyDDO is useful, but the people that need to be screened out probably cant find MyDDO to begin with.

[Ghoste]

The only world (planet Earth) based "Rights" you have, as far as I can tell, is the right to breath air.

And only if that "right" does not conflict with someone-richer-than-you's right to make money.

[Impaqt]

You think your boss has a right to examine your cell phone records? Really?

Of course. The company pasy for the phone. Why wouldnt they?

No. Its hypothetical because 1) it hasnt happened to me and 2) I wanted to avoid all the idiots who would make it personal because they need MyDDO as a crutch.

Here it is again guys, the source of all your hostility:

THats what they all say.. But its pretty transparent....

[Fenrisulven6]

Of course. The company pasy for the phone. Why wouldnt they?

Your cell phone, not the company.

THats what they all say.. But its pretty transparent....

Assume away then. I'll be sure to return the favor.

I don't see why its such a big deal. Let players go anon, if you don't want to accept players who are MyDDO-anon, no one is forcing you to.

[Missing_Minds]

Non sequitur. Sounds nice but has nothing whatsoever to do with my point.

You don't understand the basic concepts. Inalienable rights are not "granted" by governments.

Actually it does. You don't have rights here, you have privileges.

As far as inalienable ones, we are now allowed to discuss such on the forums as that then starts to enter into religious debates. In the end, I'm not the one that doesn't understand the circumstances, nor trying to talk circles about what is and is not.

Bottom line: Any feature that allows gf/wife/boss to see what hours you play is not a good thing.

Bottom line. Don't cheat. Don't lie. If you have problems with either of these two, you have much larger issues than what information Turbine has on you. Don't expect a corporate entity to protect your own rear end.

[dredre9987]

Bottom line: Any feature that allows gf/wife/boss to see what hours you play is not a good thing.

Turbine, please allows users to go anonymous.

I can see how MyDDO is useful, but the people that need to be screened out probably cant find MyDDO to begin with.

ok i absolutely hate when people make a comment about "their rights" but have no clue what their rights are.
your rights in a private domain are what that private domain says not what you believe. and since mmo's are a private domain of a company you only have the rights that they allow.

[Fenrisulven6]

You don't have rights here, you have privileges.

Wrong. You dont lose your rights because you sign a EULA. You're arguing that Turbune can quarter admin troops in your home. LOL.

And if you'd bother to read, you'd see that I'm NOT arguing to enforce some privacy right against Turbine - its a private club, and you don't like the rules you can leave. What I'm ASKING is that Turbine respect the privacy of its clients.

As far as inalienable ones, we are now allowed to discuss such on the forums as that then starts to enter into religious debates.

Now you are arguing that mentioning inalienable = religious debate. You're not making any sense.

Don't cheat. Don't lie. If you have problems with either of these two, you have much larger issues than what information Turbine has on you.

Huh? Where did I say anything about cheating or lying? Again, you make no sense.

ok i absolutely hate when people make a comment about "their rights" but have no clue what their rights are.

How ironic. Are you self-loathing?

[Nott]

Wrong. You dont lose your rights because you sign a EULA. You're arguing that Turbune can quarter admin troops in your home. LOL.

You don't lose any rights when you sign an EULA -- but your example is ridiculous. You don't have the right to absolute anonymity in everything you choose. You do have the right to avoid doing most things, however, that could threaten your desire for anonymity. Example: being associated in any way, shape, or form, with Turbine and DDO. You have the right to not be here. If you choose to forego that right, however, you do not gain the right to dictate the terms of your presence.

And if you'd bother to read, you'd see that I'm NOT arguing to enforce some privacy right against Turbine - its a private club, and you don't like the rules you can leave. What I'm ASKING is that Turbine respect the privacy of its clients.

Elsewhere in this thread, you accused someone of backpedaling. Your own OP was titled "MyDDO and Privacy Rights". Looks like its you that's backpedaling now.

There's nothing wrong with your request that Turbine respect people's privacy. Had you made that request without making the claim that your (where 'your' is not restricted to you, but is instead the generic player) rights are involved here, you probably would have been taken seriously. Instead, you chose to find some flag to wrap around you, claiming that as long as you are protected by that flag, noone can argue against you. Of course, the problem with that defense is it better be iron clad, or it's going to be broken -- yours was not iron clad.

As someone else stated, your rights within this game begin and end with the option to unsibscribe -- and you are free to exercise that option at any time you wish. As long as you decline to exercise it, you are giving implicit permission for Turbine to act within the boundaries of any laws they fall within the jurisdiction of. This includes doing things that you might object to based on your sense of privacy. Again, nothing wrong with the real request you have -- just don't try claiming rights that you don't really have here.

[Fenrisulven6]

you do not gain the right to dictate the terms of your presence.

Where did I do that? A request to respect privacy is not a dictat.

Your own OP was titled "MyDDO and Privacy Rights". Looks like its you that's backpedaling now.

Hardly. I never claimed I was exercising a legal right to privacy.

Had you made that request without making the claim that your rights are involved here. Instead, you chose to find some flag to wrap around you, claiming that as long as you are protected by that flag, noone can argue against you.

Show me where you think I did that. Here it is again.

MyDDO and Privacy Rights

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Bottom line: Any feature that allows gf/wife/boss to see what hours you play is not a good thing.

Turbine, please allows users to go anonymous.

I can see how MyDDO is useful, but the people that need to be screened out probably cant find MyDDO to begin with.

As someone else stated, your rights within this game begin and end with the option to unsibscribe

No, they don't. You don't waive your rights when you sign a EULA. You said it yourself: "implicit permission for Turbine to act within the boundaries of any laws they fall within the jurisdiction of"

[Impaqt]

Where did I do that? A request to respect privacy is not a dictat.



Hardly. I never claimed I was exercising a legal right to privacy.




Show me where you think I did that. Here it is again.








No, they don't. You don't waive your rights when you sign a EULA. You said it yourself: "implicit permission for Turbine to act within the boundaries of any laws they fall within the jurisdiction of"

We're still waiting for yout come up with a law that turbine is violating.

[Fenrisulven6]

We're still waiting for yout come up with a law that turbine is violating.

We're still waiting for you to glean the meaning of inalienable.

And I never said Turbine was violating a law.

C'mon Impact, I read you alot. You're smarter than this.

[Cedwin]

From the EULA, that you agreed to.

You acknowledge and agree that, as between Turbine and you, all Content, including, without limitation, all screen shots, videos and other materials, and all character names, attributes, inventory items, etc., created, acquired or developed in connection with the Game, are the sole and exclusive property of Turbine and may be used by Turbine (and its publishing partners, distributors, licensors and licensees) for any purpose without any compensation to you.

To the extent permitted by applicable law, you hereby waive any moral rights or rights of publicity or privacy you may have in the Content. Turbine reserves the right at all times to disclose any Content as Turbine deems necessary to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or governmental request, in Turbine’s sole discretion.

[ArichValtrahn]

This whole business about rights is just silly.

Requesting the ability to have more granular control over what myddo lists about your characters is a valid suggestion and one we would all benefit from, tin foil hats and conspiracy theories aside.

[Fenrisulven6]

Cedwin, I know that. I've already stated that signing the EULA is like "a private club, and you don't like the rules you can leave"

Did you read the entire EULA? Some interesting print. Esp the part where they can change the agreement without notice.

[Impaqt]

We're still waiting for you to glean the meaning of inalienable.

And I never said Turbine was violating a law.

C'mon Impact, I read you alot. You're smarter than this.

Then define it and provide the example for me within the context of DDO.

What you dont understand is that once you make the decision to play someone game, you agree to play by their rules.

[Cedwin]

Cedwin, I know that. I've already stated that signing the EULA is like "a private club, and you don't like the rules you can leave"

Did you read the entire EULA? Some interesting print. Esp the part where they can change the agreement without notice.

Yes I've gone over the entire thing, several times, it always comes in handy when people claim they have rights in this game. (this isn't the first thread on this subject)

If you already knew that, then why are you assuming that you have the right to complete anonymity on MyDDO?