Thoughts on race options;

[Inspire]

Im looking to reincarnate my paladin into a 2hF paladin with an Epic Sword of Shadows(already crafted). I am trying to decide between Warforged and Human for this particular build;

Human:

16Base +5Level +3Tome +1Exceptional +6Item +1Enhancement +2Crafted = 34
08Base +1Tome +7Item = 16
16Base +3Tome +6Item +1Enhancement +2Crafted = 28
12Base +2Tome = 14
08Base +2Tome +6Item = 16
16Base +3Tome +6Item +1Exceptional = 26

1) Two Handed Fighting
1h) Toughness
3) Power Attack
6) Improved Two Handed Fighting
9) Improved Critical: Slashing
12) Greater Two Handed Fighting
15) Extend
18) Maximize

Pros -

• +20-30% Healing Amp
• Feat - Maximize
• 4-5 Skill Points/Level
• Unyeilding Sovereignity
• +1 Strength Enhancement
• Better Self Healing via Loh & Spells

Cons -

• Less Damage/Swing
• Weaker Glancing Blows
• Less Hitpoints
• Fewer Immunities

Warforged:

16Base +5Level +2Tome +1Exceptional +6Item +2Crafted = 32
08Base +1Tome +7Item = 16
16Base +3Tome +6Item +2Enhancement +1Exceptional +2Crafted = 30
10Base +2Tome = 12
06Base +2Tome +6Item = 14
16Base +3Tome +6Item +1Exceptional = 26

1) Two Handed Fighting
3) Toughness
6) Power Attack
9) Improved Two Handed Fighting
12) Improved Critical: Slashing
15) Greater Two Handed Fighting
18) Extend

Pros -

• +2 Damage/Swing, -1 From Strength Score- Net +4/2hF
• +30 Hitpoints(Constitution, SFL Docent)
• Bladesworn Transformation
• 2hF Enhancements
• Quickswap Armor
• Immunities - Energy Drain, Fatigue/Exhaustion, Poison, Sickness, etc.

Cons -

• -2 Skill Points/Level
• More Used Aps
• -50-60% Healing Amplification vs Human
• -3 Attack
• Fewer Spellpoints

Thoughts, suggestions, and insight welcomed.

[Yaga_Nub]

When in doubt, go WF.

[Baahb3]

I would have to say Human.

The extra feat coupled with the ability to better self heal/get healed is very nice.

The +2 to damage the warforged gets is nice but if you do alot of Epic content with him I think you will miss the 3 to attack being a WF than the 2 to damage being a human.

[Inspire]

The +2 to damage the warforged gets is nice but if you do alot of Epic content with him I think you will miss the 3 to attack being a WF than the 2 to damage being a human.

The penalty attack shouldn't be a problem either way, with a +10 weapon and epic spectral gloves.

At this point I'm leaning towards human myself, but warforged is very tempting for bladesworn critical smites.

[Stamp3de]

I would have to say Human.

The extra feat coupled with the ability to better self heal/get healed is very nice.

The +2 to damage the warforged gets is nice but if you do alot of Epic content with him I think you will miss the 3 to attack being a WF than the 2 to damage being a human.

WF dont only get +2 to dmg lol

They get WF power attack III which is +3 to dmg, or +6 to dmg with THF.
Bladesworn gives + 4 str and +4 dmg.
Also with a bard, I have no problems hitting anything on epic, except when there is dungeon alert maybe.
And this is coming from a person who 98% of the time twitches so I don't even get the rest of my BaB for attacks further down the chain.

Side note: Divine Sacrifice also adds +10 to hit for that attack. It doesn't say so in the description tho.

[Inspire]

WF dont only get +2 to dmg lol

The human version has a better strength score, the warfored nets +2 damage.

They get WF power attack III which is +3 to dmg, or +6 to dmg with THF.
Bladesworn gives + 4 str and +4 dmg.

+4 damage from two handed fighting vs the human, I already mentioned bladesworn.

[Aaxeyu]

It will be a beast no matter what race you pick.
I would go WF just for the sake of sillier DPS.
The WF thf enhancements however are pretty much a waste. Higher chance to proc force ritual, yay.
Kotc and capstone procs on every glancing.

[Inspire]

Also with a bard, I have no problems hitting anything on epic, except when there is dungeon alert maybe.
And this is coming from a person who 98% of the time twitches so I don't even get the rest of my BaB for attacks further down the chain.

You shouldn't have a hard time hitting anything regardless, with an epic sword of shadows and a set of epic spectral gloves.

[Stamp3de]

The human version has a better strength score, the warfored nets +2 damage.



+4 damage from two handed fighting vs the human, I already mentioned bladesworn.

True but If I went WF I'd start with 18 str.
And I was responding to Baahb3, I know u already mention bladesworn.

[Stamp3de]

You shouldn't have a hard time hitting anything regardless, with an epic sword of shadows and a set of epic spectral gloves.

Indeed, I don't have a problem hitting anything with just a +3 weighted maul, let alone greensteel. One shard away from epic SoS

[Baahb3]

True but If I went WF I'd start with 18 str.
And I was responding to Baahb3, I know u already mention bladesworn.

And I was just going off of the OP where he stated that the WF was +2 dmg/swing better than the human.

[Stamp3de]

And I was just going off of the OP where he stated that the WF was +2 dmg/swing better than the human.

Ah ya, he needs to update is WF pro then.
And to also include a DoD in that list.

[Inspire]

Ah ya, he needs to update is WF pro then.

Its fine the way it is, the warforged power attack lines is +3 damage/swing when power attack is enabled. Most people know that you get double your bonus when using two handed weapons, it even says it in the description.

And to also include a DoD in that list.

The docent of defiance is a nuisance for the most part IMO, unless you are mainly stationary when you are attacking. The quorforged docent of battle/dt armor(human) is the is the greater/superior false life item aswell, so swapping the docent for that reason would be inefficeint more times than not.

[Stamp3de]

The docent of defiance is a nuisance for the most part IMO, unless you are mainly stationary when you are attacking. The quorforged docent of battle/dt armor(human) is the is the greater/superior false life item aswell, so swapping the docent for that reason would be inefficeint more times than not.

Anytime u plan on being main tank in a raid you should have a DoD on.
30/40 hps is not gunna help as much as dr20 when it goes off.
And u can always put GFL on epic gear.

[Inspire]

Anytime u plan on being main tank in a raid you should have a DoD on.
30/40 hps is not gunna help as much as dr20 when it goes off.

Yep, guess you missed the "unless mainly stationary" part.

[Stamp3de]

Yep, guess you missed the "unless mainly stationary" part.

Even when not stationary.

[Inspire]

Even when not stationary.

Moving slow means not attacking your target(s), tumbling to get to said target(s) does not improve your attack speed.

Simplified, I would not wear a DoD past level 16-18, unless tanking raid bosses.

[Gercho]

With human you could qualify for DM IV with a little different point distribution, did you factored that in your damage calculations?

[epochofcrepuscule]

How can you even ask, Human vs Warforged? Its like asking, do I wanna be a sacrificial lamb or the superior race that receives the sacrifice?

Warforged, all the way.

[blitzschlag]

With human you could qualify for DM IV with a little different point distribution, did you factored that in your damage calculations?

with a warforged too. he "only" used a +2 strenght tome to get to 32. so with a +3 he could give 1 lvlup to charisma and be on 20 base without gimping