My main is a cleric, and is 16. Currently I don't have any alt characters, but I'm about to make one.
I don't want to be a mana based character, and I want it to be a pure build (unless I'm really gimping myself by staying pure.) I'm torn between 4 characters:
trapmonkey type rogue...twf build that can take care of traps. If I go 18int 18dex for traps and such, am I going to be useless against undead and thinks that can't be sneak attacked?
The other way I wanted to go was any sort of TWF build. Which TWF build is most effective for DPS? Tempest ranger, fighter, or barbarian? Tempest ranger has the bonus of still being good with a bow and having nice self buffs, but then fighters get tons of free feats...and I don't know a thing about barbs.
Any rough build suggestions? I don't really know how to make any of these twf builds other than the rogue (i would go 10/18/12/18/8/10 as a drow)
Everything else, I need suggestions. Please and thanks?
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03-11-2010, 03:10 PM #1Community Member
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Tempest, trap monkey, twf-fighter, or twf barb?
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03-20-2010, 09:59 PM #2Community Member
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For a 2Wf you definitely want to check the ranger forums for a tempest build. Most take 6 levels of ranger and the rest either 14 fighter or 12 fighter and 2 rogue. Take 15 or 16 points of DEX, and prepare to eat a tome to get your Dex to 17. Take the rest of the points and balance out your STR and CON. For max DPS consider human with kopesh feat. Definitely check out the ranger forums, you will see a ton of tempest builds.
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03-21-2010, 04:28 PM #3Community Member
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if you are used to a cleric you might prefer a ranger since that class has great dps as well as the various buffs and some self healing, which is great at lower levels and with a splash of wizard and a metamagic feat can potentially be useful at higher levels as well. if you start with a level of rogue you can have a very versatile character.
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03-25-2010, 03:27 AM #4Community Member
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Your rogue build looks like a very squishy assassin. Probably the sort of character you hate when you're playing your cleric (lots of threat, not a lot of HPs), even for a finesse assassin i'd suggest taking a few points out of int to put into con and str. A serious full-out trapmonkey is as a major disadvantage when faced with anything that isn't a trap box, as compared to a more balanced rogue build.
Originally Posted by worthful
The benefit of going with ranger for your TWF character is that you don't need to plan on a 17dex w/tomes, since rangers get the TWF line regardless of their dex scores. A TWF fighter actually gets more feats, but is locked in to a min 15 dex, to be able to get 17 dex with a +2 tome for ITWF and GTWF.
If you decide to go fighter, you'll be looking at some sort of Kensai. Kopesh if you can afford them, provide the best DPS against mobs with less than 75% fort.
for MC builds, you might look into Exploiter (a tempest build), Krythen (a rogue/tempest DPS build)
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03-25-2010, 03:51 AM #5Community Member
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Check out the "Monster" Build also. I am/was in a similar predicament. Pretty much lvl Casters ad really wanna make a melee.
I will say this...If you have never built a Melee toon before...you can not go wrong with a PURE class or a common build.
20 FTR gets Kensai and a really nice Capstone
20 RNG is a blurry swinging machine
20 BARB (2WF) is a high STR massive DPS dude...
18 RNG/1 ROG/1 MNK is known as a "Exploiter" build. Nice DPS, can trapmonkey and has very nice AC/saves/ By far the most versatile build I can recommend
12 FTR/6 RNG/2 MNK "Monster" Build, very nice DPS...mainly Burst damage (great for boss fights)
As far as the low HP assassin...you would hate yourself deep down later. Also INT is way overated for a ROG (for skills/trapmonkeying)
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03-25-2010, 04:01 AM #6Community Member
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A rogue is definitely in the running for a high DPS TWF build... assuming you don't build a trapmonkey. There's no need for 18 intelligence, even on an assassin (12 will suffice, and that's still pretty high.) A strength based rogue dual wielding khopeshes is a scary thing for unfortified monsters.
If you want to build a melee character, you'll want to hit 13 base strength for Power Attack and 12 base constitution for the bare minimum amount of hitpoints to survive in melee (more is recommended, especially if you don't have Improved Evasion.) You want to hit those numbers even on a finesse character or a rogue.
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04-04-2010, 08:21 AM #7Community Member
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Why Power Attack? All the research I've done has told me that Rogues don't really have BAB to spare, in fact a lot of sources recommend Precision, which is, as far as I can tell, the exact opposite of Power Attack. Is it just as a prereq for Cleave or is there some other function that it serves that I'm unaware of? Originally Posted by Timjc86
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04-04-2010, 08:42 AM #8Community Member
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+5 hit +5 dmg, i mean if you're really worried about your BaB try to find some divine power clickies this will even it out. Most of th etime when people start missing with power attack they just turn it off
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04-12-2010, 02:40 PM #10Community Member
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Alright we'll I've started my exploiter - we'll see how it goes...thanks again for all the feedback.
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04-12-2010, 04:47 PM #11Community Member
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Cool, what server? Originally Posted by worthful
