Why no stickies in the rogue forums?

[Iakona]

Why are there no stickies here to keep new players from wading through hours of posts to find answers to basic class questions. Not a "comment on my build" post those are a copper a dozen here. A definitive thread on things Rogue. There is one in the Sorcerer's forum, and it is an immense help in deciding what you want in your Sorcerer's build. It's easy to find as well.

It would take one experienced level 20 rogue that has played the game since beta and knows the class extremely well to share their build. Then offer an explanation of the different attributes/skills/feats/enhancements. What they do, why you chose what you did. This is not for the purpose of 1 hundred others saying "you're stupid", and "well this is MY build and it's better". It IS for a comparison of specific things Rogue. What someone can show may be a better choice. A place to discuss class changes made in updates. And since there is a stickied discussion in the Sorcerer's forum I can assure those that will say "it would never work" that it already has worked.

As a for instance: Class feat - Trap Sense Search that. You get hundreds of posts, most are shared builds for comments, and none answer the definitive question for the feat. A level 18 Rogue gets this class feat every 3rd level of rogue. Level 18 the pure Rogue has taken this feat 6 times. The description would indicate that you have 6 feats, each feat provides 7 points of trap evasion for each feat taken, total of 42 points. I was told no, they don't stack and the feat means at level 18 a pure rogue only has a total of 7 evasion. Now 7 evasion sounds terribly low for level 20 elite and epic maps. Sounds like the rogue would be dead straight off just trying to get to most mechanisms. But search the Rogue forums for "traps sense" and you get 10 pages with no help that I can see. Again, 10 pages of "this is my build please pat me on the back" type discussions with absolutely no explanation of the why.

Are there no definitive Rogue threads in this forum that could or should be bumped and stickied discussing the Rogue class and not just a particular Rogue build? If not would an experienced Rogue be willing to write one? If they did write one how do we manage to get a Turbine moderator to sticky it?

Oh yeah, may need one for mechanic and another for acrobat, but no reason you can't have more than one sticky in a forum is there?

Again it already HAS been done in other class discussion forums, no reason at all it couldn't work here as well.

[Rasczak]

Here you go - Try these

Guide: Is my <insert rogue skill> high enough? *New*
The Ultimate Rogue
Starting a Rogue
Loccke's Rogue Guide (not sure on this one haven't read through it much)

There is another one but it's mostly outdated with the new PrE's and content and I can't find it among my subscribed threads

[Timjc86]

SableShadow's thread needs to be stickied for sure. Let me try to go find it....

Edit: Bingo: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...+dancing+rogue

[Rasczak]

SableShadow's thread needs to be stickied for sure. Let me try to go find it....

Edit: Bingo: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...+dancing+rogue

I do remember that one but it had a heavy RP flavour to it which might prove confusing sometimes

It's now kept updated here though

[Iakona]

Aye. But are the authors willing to go back and update the op when needed as a result of updates? Doesn't do much good to have a definitive rogue sticky if the information isn't updated. Also, maybe we should find out how to get one of those threads stickied? Anyone know a moderator that can help?

[Iakona]

Here you go - Try these

Guide: Is my <insert rogue skill> high enough? *New*

- bumped a a vote for a sticky here!

The Ultimate Rogue

- not a pure rogue build, so talking about what all the advantages is are going to be difficult here. Might be ok for an acrobat thread but way to biased on what should or should not be included in a roghue build to be a general info thread.

Starting a Rogue

-This is a link to a ddowiki item. Posts that just direct you to another web site for the basis of the post just isn't good sticky material. The link may be good inside of a rogue guide sticky, but just not good as the basis.

Loccke's Rogue Guide (not sure on this one haven't read through it much)

- BUMPED and my vote for another excellent and informative guide that covers both the mechanic skills and the acrobat skills. Good post and should be stickied.

[Iakona]

SableShadow's thread needs to be stickied for sure. Let me try to go find it....

Edit: Bingo: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...+dancing+rogue

Since the author has decided not to keep this thread any longer updated and has moved their thoughts to the compendium, using this thread as a sticky is useless. And I might add, so is putting a thread like that in the Compendium imo.

[Impaqt]

Since the author has decided not to keep this thread any longer updated and has moved their thoughts to the compendium, using this thread as a sticky is useless. And I might add, so is putting a thread like that in the Compendium imo.

Whats wrong with the Compendium?

[Iakona]

Whats wrong with the Compendium?

the first place new players look for information is the forums. especially for help on classes. Not the Compendium, which may be fine for listing skills/feats but not an entire class. If the author would like to put their compendium info link into a class sticky, that's one thing. Making a link to an outside source, even the ddo Compendium, as the basis for a forum class discussion is all together another matter.

[Impaqt]

the first place new players look for information is the forums. especially for help on classes. Not the Compendium, which may be fine for listing skills/feats but not an entire class. If the author would like to put their compendium info link into a class sticky, that's one thing. Making a link to an outside source, even the ddo Compendium, as the basis for a forum class discussion is all together another matter.

Really? I find the percentage of new players that visit the forums to be incredibly small.

The Compendium/Wiki has the distinct advantage of being editable by multiple people. Its simply not reasonable to expect one person to bear the burden of updating a thread indefinitely.

If new players are ignoring the DDOWiki and the Turbine COmpendium/Wiki thats a shame. THose are the 2 best resources for DDO information.

[Iakona]

Really? I find the percentage of new players that visit the forums to be incredibly small.

The Compendium/Wiki has the distinct advantage of being editable by multiple people. Its simply not reasonable to expect one person to bear the burden of updating a thread indefinitely.

If new players are ignoring the DDOWiki and the Turbine COmpendium/Wiki thats a shame. THose are the 2 best resources for DDO information.

The nuumber being small is probably due to the influx of players from other games (hate to point out wow and eq2 in a ddo forum, but if the shoe fits ...) where forums are pretty much trash and useless information. They are only usually visited by immature flamers and antagonists. The ddo forums, I am happy to say, are quite different. It also may be because in most forums on other games there are no stickies for useful information and trying to search through thousands of posts for basic information is a waste of time. This is one reason I am asking for some stickies in this forum.

The disadvantage of even one person being able to just drop in and change good information to bad information should be weighed as well. Sorry but you have way, way too many people out there that think it is just hilarious to "mess with people on the internet" to think that the information you so cherish will stay useful for any appreciable length of time. And I read a ddowiki rogue article. The information provided was completely outdated and a lot was useless now.

[Impaqt]

The disadvantage of even one person being able to just drop in and change good information to bad information should be weighed as well. Sorry but you have way, way too many people out there that think it is just hilarious to "mess with people on the internet" to think that the information you so cherish will stay useful for any appreciable length of time. And I read a ddowiki rogue article. The information provided was completely outdated and a lot was useless now.

Which one?

I think you are a bit too cynical. I've found the Wikis to be highly accurate, the number of people that would intentionally put misinformation on a Gaming Wiki is minimal.

[SableShadow]

Since the author has decided not to keep this thread any longer updated and has moved their thoughts to the compendium, using this thread as a sticky is useless. And I might add, so is putting a thread like that in the Compendium imo.

We've been asking for stickies and to have some threads such as the "Guide to Guides" thread updated for years now. Turbine seems to want to move user created content up to the Compendium.

Tolero uploaded several of the guides to the Compendium some time ago, including mine. That put me in something of a quandary.

On one hand, I appreciate the effort she put into moving it; on the other, I now have two locations to care for. Linking up to the Compendium seemed the simplest , most workable solution.

I'm open to ideas.

[kamimitsu]

The truth is, the stickies were there but just got stolen. You know us, take anything that isn't nailed down (and some stuff that is!)





::sideways glance:: Psst. I bet it was Draccus, I saw a whole bunch of stickies in his backpack last month!

[Draccus]

The truth is, the stickies were there but just got stolen. You know us, take anything that isn't nailed down (and some stuff that is!)





::sideways glance:: Psst. I bet it was Draccus, I saw a whole bunch of stickies in his backpack last month!

I took them but sold them to a fence because someone had poked them all full of holes. **** rogues.

[duncangolden]

Well as a relatively new player (been playing about a year, not the four years that some here have), and having started playing before the Eberron Unlimited release, I can honestly say that the number one place that ANY new rogue should start, is Sable's Notes from a Dancing Rogue. It is hugely helpful, and nothing in it has been made obsolete (as it is much more about approach and how to be effective, than it is about use this skill in that order to be uber at endgame).

[Razcar]

Why? This is the rogue forums. No stickies = no evidence.

"Oh no good Mr Paladin Sir, I would never post on the rogue forums, I'm just a poor honest-to-the Host etrepen... entrepan... worker in the waste disposal trade, see. No funny business. Ya don't believe me? What's that behind ya - a succubus!" *slips out a skiv...*

[duncangolden]

Why? This is the rogue forums. No stickies = no evidence.

"Oh no good Mr Paladin Sir, I would never post on the rogue forums, I'm just a poor honest-to-the Host etrepen... entrepan... worker in the waste disposal trade, see. No funny business. Ya don't believe me? What's that behind ya - a succubus!" *slips out a skiv...*

Heh, that's great! My wife wondered what I was laughing so much about.

[cupajoe]

Well as a relatively new player (been playing about a year, not the four years that some here have), and having started playing before the Eberron Unlimited release, I can honestly say that the number one place that ANY new rogue should start, is Sable's Notes from a Dancing Rogue. It is hugely helpful, and nothing in it has been made obsolete (as it is much more about approach and how to be effective, than it is about use this skill in that order to be uber at endgame).

The number one thing I learned from Sable's guide was aggro management. Sable did an excellent job explaining how aggro works and why rogues (not including specially built tanking rogues) in general need to be very aware of aggro and how it pertains to their DPS. This was an eye opener for me.

Also I don't know where new players look for info first. I don't think it matters. If they are like me they look until they find it.