Scroll usage?

[Ryan1616]

Can anyone Help me or point me in the right direction here please....

Im a Bard lvl 13 TR, i have a 46 UMD.... Not to shabby....

Im issue here....

I can easily get off scrolls of all types without any idea of fail, success on 1's....

Why when i cast ONLY the Reconstruct scroll do i recieve a Dice percentage roll and not a regular dice?

How with a 130%-150% chance or getting this scroll off do i fail on a percentage?

What am i missing?

[blitzschlag]

Can anyone Help me or point me in the right direction here please....

Im a Bard lvl 13 TR, i have a 46 UMD.... Not to shabby....

Im issue here....

I can easily get off scrolls of all types without any idea of fail, success on 1's....

Why when i cast ONLY the Reconstruct scroll do i recieve a Dice percentage roll and not a regular dice?

How with a 130%-150% chance or getting this scroll off do i fail on a percentage?

What am i missing?

arcane scrolls do have arcane spell failure chance. so if you are wearing armor and stuff there is a chance you fail. even when beeing a bard

[Ryan1616]

i dont fail other arcane spells though. thats really confusing.

[Rasczak]

i dont fail other arcane spells though. thats really confusing.

if it's a % it's spell fail. Check your equipment and are you using a shield while casting them?

[honkuimushi]

Which arcane spells are you casting without a roll? Some spells are on the Bard spell list and shouldn't need a roll and others have no somatic components and thus do not need to roll for spell failure. It's possible that the other scrolls fall into one of these 2 categories.

[blitzschlag]

i dont fail other arcane spells though. thats really confusing.

you probably don't fail those arcane spells that are on the bards spell list. it seems for others the normal arcane spell failure rules apply

[Ryan1616]

lol, im pretty sure id notice a shield in my offhand while casting, So no im not using a shield or even a weapon in my off hand.

Bards do not get teleport as a spell or ability, that is a wiz sorc only spell. I get NO failure or any type, even on a 1 with that scroll. No % roll either, its a simple d20 with success each time.

Im wearing Light mithril armor and until recently, i had never seen this scroll % roll. I have another capped bard and had cast this scroll into extreme excess.

I literally went a purchased other scroll and tried scrolls i had on myself that were not divine and purely arcane. This is the only one scroll i have any type of failure on.

So i guess now my question should be, Is this a bug of some sort like the Wizards get or do i call a DM to see if they can aid?? :S

Or maybe Tyrant our forums troller will have a direction to send me to aid my quest for knowledge Wishful thinking im sure but hey it was an idea.

Still in need of help, any other ideas please throw them my way! and when i wake from my nap i shall continue to attempt to find the proper answer.

[blitzschlag]

lol, im pretty sure id notice a shield in my offhand while casting, So no im not using a shield or even a weapon in my off hand.

Bards do not get teleport as a spell or ability, that is a wiz sorc only spell. I get NO failure or any type, even on a 1 with that scroll. No % roll either, its a simple d20 with success each time.

Im wearing Light mithril armor and until recently, i had never seen this scroll % roll. I have another capped bard and had cast this scroll into extreme excess.

I literally went a purchased other scroll and tried scrolls i had on myself that were not divine and purely arcane. This is the only one scroll i have any type of failure on.

So i guess now my question should be, Is this a bug of some sort like the Wizards get or do i call a DM to see if they can aid?? :S

Or maybe Tyrant our forums troller will have a direction to send me to aid my quest for knowledge Wishful thinking im sure but hey it was an idea.

Still in need of help, any other ideas please throw them my way! and when i wake from my nao i shall continue to attempt to find the proper answer.

if its only reconstruct than its strange. maybe MrCow drops in to aid you somewhen today

[Trillea]

if its only reconstruct than its strange. maybe MrCow drops in to aid you somewhen today

I get the same thing when trying to scroll fire shield.

[Ryan1616]

MrCow?

[blitzschlag]

I get the same thing when trying to scroll fire shield.

this would count as evidence for all arcane spells that aren't on the bards spell list.

maybe teleport with no asf is a side-effect of the teleport-rods. so we might need more evidence with spells that aren't on bards spellist and aren't availlable as wands of any kind aswell.

[Ryan1616]

to keep to my point, i went and bought that Fire shield Scroll, with 190% chance of success, no % dice rolll :S so as for me its still only reconstruct. Which normally wouldnt be that big of a deal but i run quests with lots of WF and am NORMALLY the only one in my party able to heal them in any way. So its annoying to fail on something i know i shouldnt. :S

hmmm.... the search continues.....

[Ryan1616]

Also i might add that im wearing the Enlighted vestments. Which isnt even an armor.... so.... scroll % is, well has me at a TOTAL loss.

[blitzschlag]

to keep to my point, i went and bought that Fire shield Scroll, with 190% chance of success, no % dice rolll :S so as for me its still only reconstruct. Which normally wouldnt be that big of a deal but i run quests with lots of WF and am NORMALLY the only one in my party able to heal them in any way. So its annoying to fail on something i know i shouldnt. :S

hmmm.... the search continues.....

hmm, maybe a TR issue? what race/class you been before?

[Krag]

Even some bardic spells (i.e. Haste) are subjects to ASF.

In the original PnP rules only arcane spells with somatic component suffer from ASF.I suspect the similar mechanic exists in DDO.

[Ryan1616]

I have 2 barbs going thru the same issue

TR Bard Halfling to Bard Halfling currently as posted lvl 13

and

LVL 20 Drow Bard

UMD on TR 46/// wearing +5 Mith. breastplate
UMD on L.20 50/// wearing Enlighted Vestments (outfit)

The varients arent adding up here :S

[Zereth501]

I just checked the compendium.

Teleport and greater teleport do not have somatic components. Reconstruct and fire shield do. Mystery solved.

[Ryan1616]

unsolved. I dont have an issue with fire shield.

[Elation]

UMD not an issue armor not an issue spell failure chance an issue. You suffer asf when wearing armor so if you are wearing an OUTFIT there should not be any!

[Shade]

Possibly related to this bug:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...23#post2815523 :

There's currently a bug that treats all spells on dragonmarks as if they were on the Wizard spell list for the purposes of using items.

Cure Serious is on the Jorasco dragonmark line, thus ends up not needing a UMD check for this character.

We've fixed it internally, so it'll eventually make its way up to the live servers, but it didn't seem critical enough to rush into a patch.

Teleport is a spell on the dragonmark line, so due to this bug youd avoid any failure when using those scrolls I imagine. Tho as already noted, it is also a non-somatic spell, and as such is not subject to arcane spell failure. (It's a verbal spell and armor doesn't restrict your ability to talk)

Why reconstruct is causing arcane spell fails without wearing either armor or a shield?
I don't know, that sounds very odd. Are you positive this is happening - perhaps you should double check that you are not wearing any armor or shield. It should cause faliure when casted with even light armor, as it's not a spell on the bards spell list.

Also check your encumbrance level.. This normally shouldn't effect ASF, but it may be related.