Righteous Acrobat

[kelabb]

I was playing Righteous Rogue V2 (later in the thread) and just didn't like it. I wasn't finding enough secret doors, traps, though if I did find it, I usually opened/disarmed it okay. I also felt as though I was being hit a little too often and too hard (even in the early levels)

Hence I went back to the drawing board and viola! Here is Righteous Rogue V3.

The BIG difference is dropping the start STR stat to 15 and using the 8 stat points across all the stats. Although it's early days, it feels better. I mean, really, an acrobat with a dexterity of 8?

I also think maintaining key skills will be more achievable with the 14 INT.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(1 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 270
Spell Points: 30 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 18
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            14                    19
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                    10
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                  2                     9
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                2                     2
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I


Level 2 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 5 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I


Level 7 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I


Level 8 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Balance II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV

[OldAquarian]

Not sure if the 1 sorc buys you much you can't get from wands/party members

Take a look at my version - I love playing this build

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=226556

[Baahb3]

Have to ask since you are human...why sorc? If you went warforged...why sorc?

[unbongwah]

Is this another quarterstaff build? What's the sorcerer splash for? I'd be tempted to go monk instead.

[kelabb]

Purely for the SP boost.

I don't have FvS which I believe offers more benefits to go with the SP boost.

Q'staff? Yes... Q'staffs rock!

[Gelmir87]

Just to keep up with the questioning, why sorc??? Also, why didn't you spec out the skills, with rogue, you should be able to get any item just by using UMD. I'd suggest either going Monk for feat + saves + stance or going an extra level Pally for the better enhancements.

The extra SP boost you get is minimal at best compared to what you would get by choosing a different class.

[kelabb]

Not sure if the 1 sorc buys you much you can't get from wands/party members

Take a look at my version - I love playing this build

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=226556

I did look at Weebull, but I only build humans, and when I saw WF I didn't really take a lot of notice of the build itself, though I read your philosophy and share your "hates", and yes Weebull was my inspiration for this build.

I'll repeat, the only reason for sorc was to boost SP. By the time I get there, I may well decide I don't need or want it anyway. This guy is a rogue with paladin benefits (and probably and over opinionated sense of righteousness), not an acrobatic paladin, so things like Smite Evil, Lay on Hands, and Turn Undead are cream, useful cream, as barb or fighter wouldn't have the same benefits and casters wouldn't give a worthwhile casting ability it seems, but cream nonetheless.

Ranger? Not interested in TWF at all else I would have gone tempest. One of my pet hates is that Ranger is so TWF intensive. The most famous ranger of all, Aragorn, used a great sword! He didn't swing away at orcs and goblins with 2 peasant blades (khopesh... developed in Egypt as an extended scythe). Why waste all those feats on something so... girly! (Yes, my opinion only, and all power to those who choose TWF... just not for me! If I get tempted I go big sword small sword.... shortsword/dagger, longsword/shortsword or scimitar/kukri to keep it real. I've seen toons with dual bastard swords and wonder why it's even possible!)

[kelabb]

Just to keep up with the questioning, why sorc??? Also, why didn't you spec out the skills, with rogue, you should be able to get any item just by using UMD. I'd suggest either going Monk for feat + saves + stance or going an extra level Pally for the better enhancements.

The extra SP boost you get is minimal at best compared to what you would get by choosing a different class.

Well.... Sorc gives me 230 SP. Compared to the 24 I had I thought that fairly impressive. In my opinion Monk isn't D&D, so I'll never be going there. Good luck to those who choose it, just I never will.

I understand FvS gives 200 SP and +8 HP and a few other things. I don't have FsV, don't want to be a healer so see no reason to buy it. I don't even play cleric!

So what benefits are there from 1 level of other classes that Sorc doesn't give me, giving that THE reason for sorc is the 230 SP it gives me?

[OldAquarian]

I will think on it and post a human version of Weebull for you

But you really should give WF a chance

[OldAquarian]

Posted SmallCow for you

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=236291

[kelabb]

Thanks for feedback.

Here is my latest Righteous Rogue. Inspiration and advice from OldAquarian's Small Cow build, shown above.

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Rogue Righteous V2
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(6 Paladin \ 14 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 306
Spell Points: 135 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 17
Will: 15

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             18                 23                   24
Dexterity             8                  8                   12
Constitution         16                 18                   18
Intelligence          8                  8                    8
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             14                 16                   18

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance              -1                  1                    7
Bluff                 2                  4                    4
Concentration         3                  4                    4
Diplomacy             2                  4                    4
Disable Device       n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                  4                    4
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                 -1                  1                    1
Intimidate            2                  4                    4
Jump                  4                  7                   11
Listen               -1                 -1                   -1
Move Silently        -1                  1                    1
Open Lock            n/a                n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                 -1                   -1
Search               -1                 -1                   -1
Spot                 -1                 -1                   -1
Swim                  4                  7                    7
Tumble               n/a                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I


Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 5 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Balance II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III

[kelabb]

I've kept level 20 as a 14th Rogue level for now, but it's likely I'll use Fighter for another feat if I need it. Not too sure I do, but by then I'll know for sure.

Reduced the charisma from the Small Cow build in preference for Con and HP, and a little Dex.

Proof will be in the playing as they say.

[Roziel_Longblade]

Umm arent you the one who just explained today that 16 is important cut off for attack speed?

Do you not even remember what you wrote before or are you just saying stuff you dont believe to be obnoxious?

There is a great deal of issues with the first build posted but you posted after the second build which is the one you seemed to be commenting on. Pally14/rogue6 is a decent staff class combo.

However you support the mostly rogue builds with BAB that are even worse than the first build so it was odd for you to go after BAB on either.

[Inspire]

Umm arent you the one who just explained today that 16 is important cut off for attack speed?

In the planner, his BAB is 16.

Also, you can use madstone boots to bring your BAB to your character level.

[Dartwick]

I didnt realize he had posted an updated build later in the thread. Usually in a new thread like this people just change the OP and make a note of it if they make a change, I should have scanned the whole thread closer .

[Roziel_Longblade]

nom

Wow. That is a pretty ugly attack.

If BAB is important to you, it just has not been evident in your posts. You make lots of noise in support of AcroII builds that cannot have a BAB higher than 17 but can easily fall below 15 so you do seem to be for low BAB builds. I mean, you do realize that the r18/m2 of Big Fn Stick has a BAB of 15 with a staff. You are all over that thread.

BAB and core damage, as well as anything else that affects glancing damage are important to me. However you have dismissed it in favor of SA so of all the things you could attack about a build BAB seemed odd.

In the planner, his BAB is 16.

Also, you can use madstone boots to bring your BAB to your character level.

You mentioned this a couple times. Does it improve glancing blow damage as well?

[Inspire]

You mentioned this a couple times. Does it improve glancing blow damage as well?

It brings your BAB past 16, that is the point I am trying to make.

[kelabb]

I've posted Righteous Rogue V3 in the original post.

Cheers

Kel

[OldAquarian]

Im a big supporter of acrobat 2, with rogue no higher than 13 and with a focus on maxing speed, base damage and glancing blows

Is there a link to the build you are talking about?

[kelabb]

Impulss resides on Khyber. He is now level 7 (Rogue 2/Paladin 5).

So far I have been fairly happy with the build. The only facet that somewhat disappoints , is search.

I have put as many skill points as available into Search.
I wear Voice of the Master
I wear either the Troubleshooter set (necklace and goggles) or +2 Int goggles
I drink a Fox's Cunning pot

In Necropolis Tomb of the Crimson Heart I managed to find and disable all traps on hard.
In Sorrowdusk, I couldn't find a thing on hard or normal.

Can't explain it, don't know why not.... but there it is.

I can be buffed (haven't had a bard on hand for the comptenence song) with bless but still no good.

What would I do next time? Not sure. Maybe look at taking my rogue levels more regularly....

Did: Rogue, Rogue, Paladin, Paladin, Paladin, Paladin , Paladin, Paladin...

Thinking: Rogue, Rogue, Paladin, Paladin, Rogue, Paladin, Paladin, Rogue...

This will delay Hunter of the Dead, but will give me Acrobat 2 sooner later down the track.

This is all brought about because Paladin levels only give me +.5 each level.

Another option could be to take Rogue Search 1 and maybe 2 when it becomes available, but not sure what I could miss to do so.

While I have had one party mate express surprise at Impulss weilding a Q-staff, I have not been ragged on or ridiculed, and that is a big positive.

Early levels he used an +1 Impact Quarterstaff of Pure Good.
Then at level 4 a +2 Impact Quarterstaff of Backstabbing.

Still looking for a +3 Impact Quarterstaff for Level 8.

Note: Impact doubles the Crit range to 19-20.

While Q-staff will never be a high damage weapon, the thought is that the alacrity bonuses received from Acrobat will mean it hits more often, and the extended crit range from Impact really helps. Unlike assassin builds, Impulss doesn't top out the party DPS, but I do a lot of support damage and reduce mobs hit points with the frequent hits even though other party members are being credited with the kills.