To the leader of that pug crucible last night

[Cyr]

A) You will get better results with honey then with angry yelling at group members. Clearly there were some new players in the group (from your leading I am hoping you also) and having something explained to them in two seconds would have been faster and smarter then berating them when they did not read your mind.

B) It is both bad form and stupidity to start the quest off without first even asking if anyone has the skills to get the extra xp and faster run from talking to the guys at the beginning.

C) Saying let me just do this alone and then dying without first figuring out if someone else is better equipped is ill advised. Particularly when it is the swim and you have to borrow an UA item from another party member.

D) Firewalls do not stack by throwing them one on top of each other.

E) Jumping across the top of the maze before it is clear and then yelling for people to come kill the mobs you jumped into was amusing, particularly as it was interlaced with yelling at other group members about how what they were doing was not right.

F) Cloudkill most certainly is a good spell versus red names. It does acid damage and gives the concealment miss chance. This falls under the don't yell at another party member for doing something useful and telling them it is dumb.

G) Telling everyone no buffs are needed constantly is silly to do when you have a bard in party confused about when he is supposed to buff...particularly when you are on the end fight and there is zero reason for the bard not to buff.

[blitzschlag]

A) You will get better results with honey then with angry yelling at group members. Clearly there were some new players in the group (from your leading I am hoping you also) and having something explained to them in two seconds would have been faster and smarter then berating them when they did not read your mind.

B) It is both bad form and stupidity to start the quest off without first even asking if anyone has the skills to get the extra xp and faster run from talking to the guys at the beginning.

C) Saying let me just do this alone and then dying without first figuring out if someone else is better equipped is ill advised. Particularly when it is the swim and you have to borrow an UA item from another party member.

D) Firewalls do not stack by throwing them one on top of each other.

E) Jumping across the top of the maze before it is clear and then yelling for people to come kill the mobs you jumped into was amusing, particularly as it was interlaced with yelling at other group members about how what they were doing was not right.

F) Cloudkill most certainly is a good spell versus red names. It does acid damage and gives the concealment miss chance. This falls under the don't yell at another party member for doing something useful and telling them it is dumb.

G) Telling everyone no buffs are needed constantly is silly to do when you have a bard in party confused about when he is supposed to buff...particularly when you are on the end fight and there is zero reason for the bard not to buff.

wow, thx for the laugh

must have been horrible. think i couldn't have stayed to see the end

[Quikster]

A) You will get better results with honey then with angry yelling at group members. Clearly there were some new players in the group (from your leading I am hoping you also) and having something explained to them in two seconds would have been faster and smarter then berating them when they did not read your mind.

B) It is both bad form and stupidity to start the quest off without first even asking if anyone has the skills to get the extra xp and faster run from talking to the guys at the beginning.

C) Saying let me just do this alone and then dying without first figuring out if someone else is better equipped is ill advised. Particularly when it is the swim and you have to borrow an UA item from another party member.

D) Firewalls do not stack by throwing them one on top of each other.

E) Jumping across the top of the maze before it is clear and then yelling for people to come kill the mobs you jumped into was amusing, particularly as it was interlaced with yelling at other group members about how what they were doing was not right.

F) Cloudkill most certainly is a good spell versus red names. It does acid damage and gives the concealment miss chance. This falls under the don't yell at another party member for doing something useful and telling them it is dumb.

G) Telling everyone no buffs are needed constantly is silly to do when you have a bard in party confused about when he is supposed to buff...particularly when you are on the end fight and there is zero reason for the bard not to buff.

Lol except for the fw thing, really it depends how it being used, but yeah for the most part they dont stack. Love runs like this

[Cyr]

Lol except for the fw thing, really it depends how it being used, but yeah for the most part they dont stack. Love runs like this

They don't stack if you tell someone to throw them right on top of a guy over and over again

[Towrn]

I can guess the guild this person was from (even had you not already told me)

[Chai]

I would have just been like "you can solo crucible since that is what you essentially want to do anyhow, and we will run it together" /ding

Another way to resolve that issue is to put him in your backpack after he insisted on going in alone and dying after telling people not to buff. Then have a grand olde buff fest followed by defeating all of the encounters he failed to kill. Most people who put up a front followed by self pwnage followed by sitting in a backpack for a few minutes will ragequit, and then the rest of the group can complete unhindered.

[Eladiun]

C) Saying let me just do this alone and then dying without first figuring out if someone else is better equipped is ill advised. Particularly when it is the swim and you have to borrow an UA item from another party member.

If you don't have a UA by the level you are running this quest something is dreadfully wrong...

[Towrn]

If you don't have a UA by the level you are running this quest something is dreadfully wrong...

Plus add to the fact that the swim is not that hard even without an UW item.

[Quikster]

If you don't have a UA by the level you are running this quest something is dreadfully wrong...

First swim i did was on a squishy sorc with no UA I was a little stressed he he.

[Quikster]

They don't stack if you tell someone to throw them right on top of a guy over and over again

I gottcha. I just hear so many people say they dont stack and really stacking em can be a useful tactic if used correctly. Its a pet peeve so i usually say something even when it doesnt apply.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

F) Cloudkill most certainly is a good spell versus red names. It does acid damage and gives the concealment miss chance. This falls under the don't yell at another party member for doing something useful and telling them it is dumb.

In fact, cloudkill does not do damage to those creatures immune to poison effects, and red named are immune to poison.

Nevertheless, I agree with you that it's still a useful spell on red named just because of the concealment bonus.

Garth

[stazer]

pm name please

[cdr]

I can guess the guild this person was from (even had you not already told me)

I might have a few guesses, but one is much more likely.

[Cyr]

In fact, cloudkill does not do damage to those creatures immune to poison effects, and red named are immune to poison.

Nevertheless, I agree with you that it's still a useful spell on red named just because of the concealment bonus.

Garth

really? I thought they changed that with the con damage change.

[HeavenlyCloud]

If you don't have a UA by the level you are running this quest something is dreadfully wrong...

Most of the time i forget UA on new characters . Don't judge us!

[Montrose]

If you don't have a UA by the level you are running this quest something is dreadfully wrong...

Nahhh. Other than weapons I usually don't bother twinking toons at all until level 13 (at which point one can wear +6 items).

There are, maybe, 2 or 3 quests prior to level 13 that you would need a UW item for (delera, tempest spine, ... others?).

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

really? I thought they changed that with the con damage change.

hmm. /casts summon Cow

Garth

[Cyr]

hmm. /casts summon Cow

Garth

lol yup that's the one I should have directed the question at in the first place

[MrCow]

hmm. /casts summon Cow

*Fails will save and is summoned*

Cloudkill most certainly is a good spell versus red names. It does acid damage and gives the concealment miss chance. This falls under the don't yell at another party member for doing something useful and telling them it is dumb.

If a monster is immune to poison (which includes all red-named critters and bosses) then it is immune to cloudkill fully, because it deals poison-based CON damage and poison-based acid damage.

[Quikster]

hmm. /casts summon Cow

Garth

*Fails will save and is summoned*



If a monster is immune to poison (which includes all red-named critters and bosses) then it is immune to cloudkill fully, because it deals poison-based CON damage and poison-based acid damage.

OMFG theres a spell for that!!!!!