Noobs in da Titan

[Krag]

Well, then communicate your expectations clearly before the raid and only take people that agree with them.

Obviously I am new and this is a touchy subject but wouldn't it make more sense to agree ahead of time about loot?

I don't see the need.
97% of people I'm grouping with will pass the unwanted loot anyways.

[Kirachan]

Well, the loot was obviously not unwanted by the person who pulled it.

[phalaeo]

Merlock can fix anything.

[cdr]

Looting something you don't need is a **** move, end of story, and likely to get you disinvited from future raids.

[Fenrisulven6]

But its not your place to judge what I need.

"Need before Greed" is the calling cry of Greedy People.

[Mentor61]

It never got a response but I would also like to see that bard's ac breakdown to hit 60 - 70.

[Krag]

Well, the loot was obviously not unwanted by the person who pulled it.

Sure. He WANTED that 1k plat that vendor would give

[Schmoe]

What you describe as "need before greed" is actualy YOUR greed before their need on THEIR stuff. You can add as many arguements as you like, you are being greedy.

My sentiments exactly. Thanks for putting it so succinctly.

[JOTMON]

Also had this happen and I do wonder if THIS is ok. Another DQ raid. The staff that is WIZ BRD SOR only drops. It is put up for roll and a Palidin is winning it...so I roll. I beat his roll (Once again I was on my FVS) and the Staff was passed to me. I then pass it to a WIZ (maybe was a SOR). The Pali then flames me for "Rolling on an Item that I could'nt use". Yes, I see the irony. He claims what I did was a "no no" and that I would be squelched and blacklisted and blah blah blah from all raids. Well who was correct on the staff issue? Is it ok to roll on something then pass it to someone else. Not counting on rolling on something that person A can use. Just when person A cannot use and person B can...and I pass to person B. Is that oki?

The person putting up for roll can choose to exclude people from the roll however they feel, it is theirs to distribute, in the case of the staff that was class exclusive I would reject non-eligible classes until the eligible ones all declined then throw up for open roll. All the reincarnation options or completionists changes things a bit, but I am putting it up for the here and now users after that it is a free for all.

Boo, Bad etiquette I am sure if you were in the other person's place and had won a roll on something that you and another person wanted then his buddies roll on it and beat your roll then flip it to him you would not be happy either.
If you do not intend to take the item you should not roll on it. If I were in that run I would have added you and the one you gave it to to my special friends list and would tell anyone i run with what you had done.

I would not have taken the item if a friend or guildie had done that, it is bad.. even if I really really wanted it.
If a friend had given to me before putting up for roll - fine, np ty big smiles all around..

I still feel bad after doing a skelly run got icy's flipped to me and I pulled them. I looted 1 quick .
Then said anyone want these icy's up for roll...oh wait guildie is with me that needs too.. bad me.. rolls had already started..she rolls low and sadly give them to the monk who won the roll. I felt bad but had to stick to the roll because I put it out there and rolls had started. In my mind I still owe a guildie a set if Icy's so I will keep running it til they get them.

[Kistilan]

What a load of ****. That is only true of "my loot is mine to do with as I please" if take something that don't need, which in 99.99% of cases they won't. What you describe as "need before greed" is actualy YOUR greed before their need on THEIR stuff. You can add as many arguements as you like, you are being greedy.

/qft

There is no way to spin this story and complaint as "Aww, poor guys, yeah that other guy did you wrong in taking the chattering ring."

There is always the possibility of True Reincarnation, and therefore any of the darn loot is useful and should be considered the need of the person's. The need before greed concept only works in games where you can't change your entire class.

Ironically, this now takes us back to WoW and other games, where your class is your class. Or LOTRO. Sure, you can "respec" your enhancement lines, but you're still a druid, or you're still a lore master. In DDO's case, the ability to radically change your character's build is so dynamic that no loot is barred from any character's need at any time.

Unless the leader of the raid said, "Guys, I'm taking you on this but if the chattering ring drops, dibs is mine. You agree to this now or you leave," then there is absolutely no final word for anyone to claim the chattering ring other than the person pulling it. Also, the above agreement shows greed before need in effect.

[Erekose]

I heard of a funny Titan back in the day... the most memorable part of that Titan was...


SHOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!! .

Ya, I do recall that Titan ... ended in an epic failure and a rage quit for me

But hey, what I will go through for guildies.

[Ragemage]

Hey Erekose,

that lazerbeam still left a scorchmark on your caster... ohhhhhh B)

Its a big difference if you die in the titan due a grafic bug or if you fail because players are absolutly not listening.

The rant is about greedy players that want to take every raidloot they receive in the chest just to find out that they will never use it, isnt it?

[toughguyjoe]

Hey Erekose,

that lazerbeam still left a scorchmark on your caster... ohhhhhh B)

Its a big difference if you die in the titan due a grafic bug or if you fail because players are absolutly not listening.

The rant is about greedy players that want to take every raidloot they receive in the chest just to find out that they will never use it, isnt it?

Nah some of the more "you never know, I might TR into something that can use that eventually maybe kinda sorta" people have delved this into a "Need before greed is greedy" thread.

TR is great and all, but If I pull a Chattering ring on my Barb i'm going to put it up for roll. on the same barb that is going to tr into Monk at least once. I dunno. I guess thats just how I think about raid loot. I'm going to use it for a few months, or whatever Vs another toon wh is going to wear it as a primary source of AC on that toon as his main playable life.

[blitzschlag]

Nah some of the more "you never know, I might TR into something that can use that eventually maybe kinda sorta" people have delved this into a "Need before greed is greedy" thread.

TR is great and all, but If I pull a Chattering ring on my Barb i'm going to put it up for roll. on the same barb that is going to tr into Monk at least once. I dunno. I guess thats just how I think about raid loot. I'm going to use it for a few months, or whatever Vs another toon wh is going to wear it as a primary source of AC on that toon as his main playable life.

while i agree with you im still fine with the barb that loots his chattering ring just to vendor it...

[Narmolanya]

while this is true, it still dropped for him and not anyone else. unless it was stated beforehand that the loot goes to the ones that need it most or that the leader distributes the loot it was perfectly fine for the bard to loot his loot...

yeah it's the bards pull but what a waste

[LewsTherin]

while i agree with you im still fine with the barb that loots his chattering ring just to vendor it...

If you're going to do a raid just to vendor the raid gear, why not just run a regular quest. If no one wants the loot then that's another story. But to loot raid gear, that someone can actually use, just to vendor it is ignorant and selfish and just plain stupid.

[Superspeed_Hi5]

Question to the OP:
How would you have felt if that bard went and said I will pass it to anyone that pays me $10M in gold right now. Otherwise I am looting it and you all can kiss my rosy-red ass.

Or something not as confrontational but you get the point. Would you have felt better if he put it up to the highest bidder on the spot? He doesnt have to just give it away. As most people say your loot do what you want with it.

Personally I hate people using TR as an excuse to not share but it is what it is, its the nature of teh beast we now live with and its not going to change. Its time to man up and run it again. I also know a few people that have not gotten that ring on their 20th and 40th runs so seriously stop complaining - its that rare.

[blitzschlag]

If you're going to do a raid just to vendor the raid gear, why not just run a regular quest. If no one wants the loot then that's another story. But to loot raid gear, that someone can actually use, just to vendor it is ignorant and selfish and just plain stupid.

i agree with you but still you can't and must not tell anyone how he/she has to play their game after the goal is achieved (e.g. the raid is finished).

you see, im devils advocate here. i put up any raid loot i find and can't use on my current char up for roll. i would even pass on the chattering ring on my fvs even if i would plan to tr him to a monk or paladin afterwards. still if it does not drop for me its not my loot. if its put up for roll, cool. if not, get over it and hope for the next run (like the 85 times before also).

[Yajerman01]

Has everyone forgot the NEW golden rule about loot?

IM REINCARNATING

It can never be prooved false.

So aside the theatrics of its his loot, if you want to qauntify or justify the rationale behind him picking it up. Apply TR and get over it!

[Wyrmnax]

There is 1 (ONE) rule for looting in DDO, and it is very explicit:

- If it has your name on it, it is yours

This is not WoW where you have people who change loot rights seconds before a mob is dead. This is not FFXI where people will roll on the last 10 seconds left to ninja loot.

It is very simple, and a very good implementation: All loot drops under someone's name, it is his/hers to do as they please.

Put up for roll what you cannot use? That is the common way to distribute the loot that is bound to character that your character will not be able to use. There is nothing saying that you must do that. You can just as well decide that you want to pass that Reaver's Napkin to the only Sorcerer present. Or to that gimp mage, that happens to be your friend. Or decide that the cute cleric had a special care put into each of her heals directed to you, and decide that she is more deserving of whatever it is of the loot that dropped for you.

Something happened in my last DQ run: 2 wizards there (one is me), a paladin gets a green blade. I asked if the blade was going to be rolled for, the paladin passed it over to the other wizard since they knew each other.

What did i do? Congratulate her on getting her new green blade, told her that with a voice like that its no wonder the paladin wouldnt ever consider passing it to me instead and moved on. Next DQ, a new chance.

Was it fair? Yes. It was his blade to start with, he could have just grabbed it saying that he is TRing as a wizard and no one could complain. He was very nice to be passing it to someone else instead.