FIRE WALL: Remove it.

[Aspenor]

Oh em gee, I was actually getting guff for not just having maximized...empowered... and full fire spec, even with those ridiculous crit enhancements... but I didn't have EXTEND too... so the group leader was *****ing about that.

You could try making a useful character....that might be a good idea.

[ChaelaAnne]

And like I said, similar spells.

You can pick out numerous instances where firewall is not useful. Certainly. But there are dozens of instances where if it's not mandatory... it's "highly suggested".

Okay then... for future reference, all other references to specific mobs, end bosses, raids, quests, pizzas, and/or kittens should be considered to be mobs, end bosses, raids, quests, pizzas and/or kittens and SIMILAR things.

[villainsimple]

You could try making a useful character....that might be a good idea.

Having Maximized, Empowered Fire Spec'd Sorc (with firewall) makes my character useless?

Not really following your logic. Unless a character is useless unless it has extend....

[Gornin]

Oy Vey.

[Burtle]

shr plz

+1 my good sir

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Mem...I'm at a loss for words... EPIC m'man.. (although the rep gods seem to deny me any chance at reppin u... I reckon a *high-five* will have to do... gimped I know)

Well then, let's keep goin with other crutches that should be removed due to their blatant over-use and stereotypical group expectations:

Pally - Smite Evil.

Cleric - Heal, Mass cures.

Bard - Songs.

Barbarian - Raging.

Fighter - Swinging a weapon in general.

There we go. That should about do it.

+1 for that revealing tidbit,

and might I add

Level 16 and up and TR'd Characters- Greensteel weapons of mass destruction

[Aspenor]

Having Maximized, Empowered Fire Spec'd Sorc (with firewall) makes my character useless?

Not really following your logic. Unless a character is useless unless it has extend....

I misread your post. It appeared you didnt have maximize, or empower from the way I read it, but I was incorrect.

FYI if you have to choose between empower and extend, take extend. Empower is extremely inefficient, and extend is more useful.

[Braed]

I get that the OP gets out of bed in the morning and some of you already hate him and anything he is going to say. I disagree that the spell should be removed, but I'm not going to make it personal.

I will say that I don't want to be in a group where the leader would complain about somebody who isn't full fire-spec'd, using Max, Emp and Extend on their Wall of Fire. That is ridiculous and I bet there aren't but a handful of situations where that power wouldn't be better used doing something else.

On the contrary I've been in groups where USING Wall of Fire has lead to wipes because the healer is trying to save the caster who is throwing around those Max/Emp Walls of Fire like a fool. Epic content (which I cannot speak to) aside, I've seen plenty of times when a Quickened Fog/Cloud spell is more useful, and those same casters who caused the group wipe with their Walls of Fire would have not only saved a wipe, but made the encounter trivial by using other spells.

[Mentor61]

I get that the OP gets out of bed in the morning and some of you already hate him and anything he is going to say. I disagree that the spell should be removed, but I'm not going to make it personal.

I will say that I don't want to be in a group where the leader would complain about somebody who isn't full fire-spec'd, using Max, Emp and Extend on their Wall of Fire. That is ridiculous and I bet there aren't but a handful of situations where that power wouldn't be better used doing something else.

On the contrary I've been in groups where USING Wall of Fire has lead to wipes because the healer is trying to save the caster who is throwing around those Max/Emp Walls of Fire like a fool. Epic content (which I cannot speak to) aside, I've seen plenty of times when a Quickened Fog/Cloud spell is more useful, and those same casters who caused the group wipe with their Walls of Fire would have not only saved a wipe, but made the encounter trivial by using other spells.

Well look at the op and all the nonsencical polluting garbage threads he puts up all day everyday...What do you expect...

[maddmatt70]

I do not disagree with the OP. What surprises me this mod and this is a testament to the ease of the vons in comparison to the desert epic is fire wall is not in vogue in the vons. I guess one solution to firewall's overpowering nature is to gimp mobs like they did in the IQ quests to the extent where any tactic works. Running the epic vons is easy as in the easy button.

[villainsimple]

Well then, let's keep goin with other crutches that should be removed due to their blatant over-use and stereotypical group expectations:

Yes, let's discuss this. Because what you don't seem to get is that Firewalls usefulness is wildly out of whack with the rest of the spells on the spell list. The fact that I have to spell this out for you, piecemeal is a bit disconcerting, but here we go....

Pally - Smite Evil.

Smite Evil now heals all good characters by half their hitpoints in a 30 yard radius. Why are you playing neutral?

Cleric - Heal, Mass cures.

BattleCleric? You're a BattleCleric? ***? (I can't even believe I'm pointing this one out...) And why don't you have a stack of heal scrolls?

Bard - Songs.

The Virtuoso PrE gives +10 to hit, damage, and saves. Why did you bother speccing warchanter?

Barbarian - Raging.

+20 to strength? +20 to Con? Kills you and destroys your eq when it ends? Oh well. Rage on my brother.

Fighter - Swinging a weapon in general.

Except now Picks kill every enemy in the room on a critical hit. Why are you wielding a greataxe?

There we go. That should about do it.

Yes, I hope it does do it. Because the point I've been making from the beginning was that the ridiculous amount of damage Firewall does in relation to its level and ability are so out of whack with the rest of its spell list that these exaggerations... though exaggerations aren't THAT far off.

[Zereth501]

The problem is that it is the only viable dps option for casters. (Except level 20 sorcerers with twink gear.) Remove it, and casters become unplayable, at least as damage dealers. Consider bosses are immune against everything not damage, and you would have a problem. (There is waves of exhaustion and concealment from cloudkill, but those won't win a boss fight.) Case in point : it's very hard for casters to get into a Shroud run because pit fiends are immune to fire. If spells like chain lightning, polar ray, and ball lightning were mana efficient, they could hurt the boss just fine. But they are not. To make it only possible to nerf firewall, you would have to make other damage spells more effective first.

Result : to nerf or remove wall of fire, you would need to rebalance the whole classes. While I would see it as a desirable change, if only to bring more variety to playing a caster, I don't see it happening. Plus, there would be the risk of making things worse.

[villainsimple]

I misread your post. It appeared you didnt have maximize, or empower from the way I read it, but I was incorrect.

FYI if you have to choose between empower and extend, take extend. Empower is extremely inefficient, and extend is more useful.

I picked up extend at level 18.

I wanted my character to have some "flavor" so gave her +1 SF on Enchant, Necro, and Trans. These were to represent her "backstory" in a tangible way...

[DoctorWhofan]

Yeah, Blade Barrier works everywhere. Haven't seen that not working.

It still works through DOORS.

[Aristalla]

This really just seems like a problem for the min/maxers.
If you are in a party of silly people who rely on wall of fire, especially to the extent that they require certain meta's, just drop group.
Why play with people that depend on one single tactic; it speaks volumes for their intelligence.

[DoctorWhofan]

I get that the OP gets out of bed in the morning and some of you already hate him and anything he is going to say. I disagree that the spell should be removed, but I'm not going to make it personal.

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Trust me, this isn't his first rodeo. He's been gone awhile, but He has a record of Removing (insert DDO stuff) here without giving a good reason.

[SquelchHU]

This really just seems like a problem for the min/maxers.
If you are in a party of silly people who rely on wall of fire, especially to the extent that they require certain meta's, just drop group.
Why play with people that depend on one single tactic; it speaks volumes for their intelligence.

So the people that do what works are less intelligent and not more so? Sure, whatever you say buddy.

[stopdying]

Sorry OP gotta disagree with you on this one. Here is why.

Levels 1-6: no wall of fire and no is complaining that the content is to hard.
Levels 14-20: at this point the usefulness of wall of fire goes done to almost nil. There are spots here and there but, it's not used generally as a main option any more.

But for levels 7-13 it is very useful and maybe overpowered in that range but only in those levels. After that it goes downhill pretty quick.

So you see it has no meaningful effect for two-thirds of the game and I can't see that as a gmebreaker. But if this is the type of rant you're into, you should try attacking a gamebreaking spell. For example, how about haste. You get at level 5 and is just as powerful and important at 5 as it is at level 20.

Food for thought.

[Turgar]

waaah someone told me how to pway my caster in a way I didn't wike! I don't wanna pway the way evewyone ewse does! Make evewyone ewse pway wike I wanna pway! I don't wanna take my toys and go pway somewhere ewse, I wanna make evewyone ewse mad cause Im mad!!!

Lol get a grip dude. If you don't like wall of fire, don't use it! Maybe you should consider the possibility that the criticism you received in your group is similar to the neg rep you get here. Maybe, just maybe, you are someone that comes off in an irritating way and people dislike you...

[villainsimple]

Sorry OP gotta disagree with you on this one. Here is why.

Levels 1-6: no wall of fire and no is complaining that the content is to hard.
Levels 14-20: at this point the usefulness of wall of fire goes done to almost nil. There are spots here and there but, it's not used generally as a main option any more.

But for levels 7-13 it is very useful and maybe overpowered in that range but only in those levels. After that it goes downhill pretty quick.

So you see it has no meaningful effect for two-thirds of the game and I can't see that as a gmebreaker. But if this is the type of rant you're into, you should try attacking a gamebreaking spell. For example, how about haste. You get at level 5 and is just as powerful and important at 5 as it is at level 20.

Food for thought.

haste is another spell I have my eye on. However, the difference between haste and firewall is that the devs have used firewall as a crutch to prop up the notion Arcane is a DPS class.

[uhgungawa]

Well then, let's keep goin with other crutches that should be removed due to their blatant over-use and stereotypical group expectations:

Pally - Smite Evil.

Cleric - Heal, Mass cures.

Bard - Songs.

Barbarian - Raging.

Fighter - Swinging a weapon in general.

There we go. That should about do it.

You forgot Rangers - Ranged attacks