Is there a good Fire Monk Build?

[Jalpa7]

I recently grabbed a set of the Handwraps of Fernia.

I'd be interested in a build that is 32 points and Fire Stance Based.

I figure that STR build is needed with the flame stance.

Any race other than WF would be preferred.

I even considered something like 12 fighter/8 monk for the Kensei STR bonuses.

Can anyone help me out with a link?

Thanks in advance.

[Cedwin]

This is a common misconception about the monks.

You do not need to be in sun stance to use the fire attacks, sun stance doesn't grant any fire damage.

Wind stance is still going to give you more DPS.


Sun Stance
"The sun stance focuses on an aggressive offense, granting increased Strength at the cost of decreased Wisdom. While in sun stance, you generate additional Ki when you successfully strike opponents."

Wind Stance
"The wind stance focuses on movement, granting increased Dexterity and melee and thrown attack speed at the cost of reducing your Constitution while the stance is active."

The increase to attack speed is what you want.

[Crazyfruit]

How far do you plan on playing this character?

Most fire stance builds are great at low levels, but can slowly get surpassed as time & gear improvements goes on. Though the majority of them still have enough dexterity to swap into Wind stance when needed

[manfredshw]

fire stance monk has better dps than wind stance in the most common scene.
Many players believe wind stance has better dps that is the misconception.
Due to many monk do not use their ki strikes as many as possible.

Even with henshin necklace, I don't believe a monk can afford the ki spamming when you dps bosses at full round.
If you want dps, open fire stance, and even with the necklace, spamming your different ki strikes situational and tod(if you are a dark monk)

[Quijonsith]

fire stance monk has better dps than wind stance in the most common scene.
Many players believe wind stance has better dps that is the misconception.
Due to many monk do not use their ki strikes as many as possible.

Even with henshin necklace, I don't believe a monk can afford the ki spamming when you dps bosses at full round.
If you want dps, open fire stance, and even with the necklace, spamming your different ki strikes situational and tod(if you are a dark monk)

Have you even done what you claim doesn't work? I have absolutely no problem cycling 6 different strikes in rapid succession (earth IV, earth III, wind IV, wind III, eagle claw attack, unbalancing strike) all just before earth IV is back up for another cycle and I never run out of Ki with Oremi's necklace on in wind stance against a raid boss.. This is from a light side monk's PoV, I don't know about the dark ones out there. I even have enough bulk Ki to keep aligning the heavens on the casters once a minute and return to my cycle.

If you can't do this with Oremi's necklace, I wonder how hi your wisdom and concentration are.

[manfredshw]

Have you even done what you claim doesn't work? I have absolutely no problem cycling 6 different strikes in rapid succession (earth IV, earth III, wind IV, wind III, eagle claw attack, unbalancing strike) all just before earth IV is back up for another cycle and I never run out of Ki with Oremi's necklace on in wind stance against a raid boss.. This is from a light side monk's PoV, I don't know about the dark ones out there. I even have enough bulk Ki to keep aligning the heavens on the casters once a minute and return to my cycle.

If you can't do this with Oremi's necklace, I wonder how hi your wisdom and concentration are.

http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/wisller/

check this, I think I know what I am talking about.
and do not mention dps before a dark monk.
You ki is enough maybe because you are not cycling your ki strike fast enough.

[Cedwin]

I just took a look at the Fernian Wraps. The key enhancement there is the Path of the Fire Dragon. It states that you must be in Sun Stance to receive the +50% insight bonus, but it only affects the finisher Breath of the Fire Dragon. IMO it's not work staying in sun stance just to get a boost to that one finisher.

Comparing the amount of attacks per minute between Sun stance and Wind stance at level 20 is like night and day. Even around level 10 you'll start to notice a huge difference.

Just a little example to debunk a previous post about sun stance being better.

Lets compare 5 seconds worth of attacking. With wind stance, you are going to get ~10 attacks, with sun stance, you'll get around 5 to 8 attacks.

This is wind stance, with NO elemental attacks thrown in.
10 attacks at 2d6 + 10 = 120 to 220 damage

This is sun stance, with 1 elemental attack thrown in per attack just to make it fair.
5 attacks at 2d6 + 10 + 1d6 elemental = 65 to 140 damage
8 attacks at 2d6 + 10 + 1d6 elemental = 104 to 224 damage

As you can see, in wind stance you are still getting far more DPS, even if you only cycle ki strikes once every other hit. You do get an extra +2 to damage in ultimate sun stance, at level 18+, but it still doesn't make up for the difference in attack speed.

[Quijonsith]

Not cycling fast enough? I just told you how fast i am. I get in 6 strikes before the first is cooled down again. I have all of my strikes hotkeyed.

as far as "don't mention dps before a dark monk", get over your cocky self. I specifically said that my experience was from a light monk PoV you jerk. From my understanding the 500 point strike from dark monks costs quite a bit of Ki, which might be why you have more trouble keeping your Ki generation up. If that's the case then yes you would need fire stance.

[Quijonsith]

I just took a look at the Fernian Wraps. The key enhancement there is the Path of the Fire Dragon. It states that you must be in Sun Stance to receive the +50% insight bonus, but it only affects the finisher Breath of the Fire Dragon. IMO it's not work staying in sun stance just to get a boost to that one finisher.

I just use a superior potency I ring. It boosts the cone of fire and my FoL finisher 50% not matter what stance i'm in, but then again you probably can't use a superior potency I ring at as low a level as the fernian wraps (don't feel like looking it up right now).

[manfredshw]

fernia is good when you run some lower level dungeon with many undead out there.
You can drink an inferno potion and with this hw, you can do large aoe damage to these undeads.
You can use it even in epic wz king. But if you have a better undead beater, this hw is not that useful.

[Cedwin]

I just use a superior potency I ring. It boosts the cone of fire and my FoL finisher 50% not matter what stance i'm in, but then again you probably can't use a superior potency I ring at as low a level as the fernian wraps (don't feel like looking it up right now).

There's no min level on the fernian wraps.

They give a +50% insight bonus, which should stack with potency, but I haven't tested it. It still isn't worth it though IMO. By end game, most things are immune to fire anyways.

If anything it could be situationally useful, I wouldn't make a build based on them.

[Quijonsith]

fernia is good when you run some lower level dungeon with many undead out there.
You can drink an inferno potion and with this hw, you can do large aoe damage to these undeads.
You can use it even in epic wz king. But if you have a better undead beater, this hw is not that useful.

inferno potion stacks with the wraps? cool. do they also stack with potency or no? EDIT: never mind, my potency ring says it doesn't stack with potions.

[toughguyjoe]

http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/wisller/

check this, I think I know what I am talking about.
and do not mention dps before a dark monk.
You ki is enough maybe because you are not cycling your ki strike fast enough.

Having a geared up 20 Monk doesn't make Fire Stance better than Wind Stance.

[manfredshw]

Not cycling fast enough? I just told you how fast i am. I get in 6 strikes before the first is cooled down again. I have all of my strikes hotkeyed.

as far as "don't mention dps before a dark monk", get over your cocky self. I specifically said that my experience was from a light monk PoV you jerk. From my understanding the 500 point strike from dark monks costs quite a bit of Ki, which might be why you have more trouble keeping your Ki generation up. If that's the case then yes you would need fire stance.

Even without tod, your dps is still far behind a dark monk.
Do you know how many dps you lost when you prepare fpf, and wpw finisher when you beat horoth or sully who are immune to your ki strikes.

And even fol has no offhand hook attack.

[manfredshw]

Having a geared up 20 Monk doesn't make Fire Stance better than Wind Stance.

whatever.

[toughguyjoe]

whatever.

[Quijonsith]

Even without tod, your dps is still far behind a dark monk.
Do you know how many dps you lost when you prepare fpf, and wpw finisher when you beat horoth or sully who are immune to your ki strikes.

And even fol has no offhand hook attack.

When did I ever, EVER, try to start a light vs. dark debate???? The topic was Ki generation. I certainly didn't claim to keep high dps when I'm buffing my group. I was pointing out that Ki generation is a non issue for me. Try staying on topic.

[manfredshw]

When did I ever, EVER, try to start a light vs. dark debate???? The topic was Ki generation. I certainly didn't claim to keep high dps when I'm buffing my group. I was pointing out that Ki generation is a non issue for me. Try staying on topic.

I am always stick to the topic.
A monk want to dps, you must keep your ki up.
Why I must keep up my ki regain rate, because I am in dps mode.
Why I am in dps mode. Because in many situations, what a melee can do only is to afford the dps.
Is there any quest that you finish it without killing?

[toughguyjoe]

In Wind Stance with a Higher STR dark monk I've been able to generate Ki as fast as I need it against a raid boss even while spamming strikes. I admit i'm not a pro at strike spamming, so I probably would run out if I went faster.

However, I don't have Oremis yet

[AMDarkwolf]

fire stance monk has better dps than wind stance in the most common scene.
Many players believe wind stance has better dps that is the misconception.
Due to many monk do not use their ki strikes as many as possible.

Even with henshin necklace, I don't believe a monk can afford the ki spamming when you dps bosses at full round.
If you want dps, open fire stance, and even with the necklace, spamming your different ki strikes situational and tod(if you are a dark monk)

So false, wish people would learn. I WISH the stances were equal, but they just are not.

Wind stance, spamming earth strikes and finisher can out dps ANY monk in fire stance doing the same. (And if the fire monk is spamming fire attacks, lol, as anyone whos been past lv 16 knows, fire does 0 dmg to most mobs so....)