Rerolling my cleric

[Razic-Thule]

I'm re-rolling my WF cleric and i have a question. Would it be worth take Monk levels to get some extra Wisdom i lack being a Warfarged and evasion as well? Or do i give up to much as a cleric by taking on some monk? If you think monk would be a good idea could you point me in the right direction of a build or two or help me out at what levels would be best to take monk. I have 32pt build open and veteran stats. I would like to be able to heal/combat cast. If you don't think its doable then having some melee ability is alright. Thank you

[lifestaker]

The big thing with the pure clr over the the clr/monk is your sp/spells usefulness. now don't get me wrong BB is still useful one way or the other, but your dc's/spell pen spells will be less then the pure blooded clr. The clr capstone is also useful in select areas/play styles, but the evasion from the monk is very useful, not to mention the extra saves and stance bonuses. Now if you intend to go with the monk just for the wisdom stance then i would say don't do it, 'cuz you will be hurting more then helping. But if you like to shortman/solo the monk levels might make things go a bit faster and easier for you.

[DoctorWhofan]

Drop the CHA. HUmour me. That will help with a WF cleric.

Monk levels are nice, but remember about being centered. any wand, scroll you use will uncenter you, thus losing your extra WIS.

BUtthe natural WIS clerics strive for is really nice...but at the end of the day, THe loss of power may hurt you on the offensive caster side.

COuld ask you Guild leader, she has lots of clerics.

[ProdigalGuru]

I suggest a new race.

You chose the race with the WORST stats for a Cleric.

Monk, too.

[Razic-Thule]

Thank you for the advice. I will stay pure cleric. And i choice WF, Well because of a guildie of mine who's playing one. But also for the challenge i know it will be to to play and play well.
Again thanks for the help

[Visty]

. any wand, scroll you use will uncenter you, thus losing your extra WIS.

this is wrong, wands and scrolls dont uncenter you

[Propane]

If you take 2 lv of monk and use water stance - your only 1 dc off....

Not a bad trade overall...(loss of a few spells/spell points vs two feats and evasion)

Just my $0.02

[Visty]

If you take 2 lv of monk and use water stance - your only 1 dc off....

the DC is actually 1 higher with a loss of 2 spellpen

[DoctorWhofan]

Thank you for the advice. I will stay pure cleric. And i choice WF, Well because of a guildie of mine who's playing one. But also for the challenge i know it will be to to play and play well.
Again thanks for the help

Hmmm...wonder who that is??

this is wrong, wands and scrolls dont uncenter you

When monks first came out (that's when I built my first monk/cleric) it did. LONG since I had a monk who didn't have a candycane. So I will say I was wrong about that.

[Razic-Thule]

Thanks again guys. Gives me much to think about but does really help me.

[Rineth]

this is wrong, wands and scrolls dont uncenter you

Yes they do.

Also, whoever said losing a few cleric levels lowers your DCs is incorrect. The formula for a spell's base DC is 10+casting stat modifier+the level of the spell. If level was a factor, the DC on all your spells would be ridiculously high. Sacrificing 2 cleric levels does lose you 2 to caster level checks against Spell Resistance, but at higher levels you're going to be winning most checks anyway.

I wouldn't write off the monk splash so easily. Evasion is made of awesome and a near must for avoiding hot death in higher level content. Also, something nobody pointed out is the monk splash allows you to add your Wis bonus to your AC. The difference in survivability between a Cleric/Monk and a plain Cleric is huge. I recently added a monk level to my cleric and my AC floats in the 50s with a few simple buffs and once I greater reincarnate and start to grab some gear for the new build, it will go up even more. I was sitting at a max of low 30's beforehand.

Additionally, with a couple feat choices you can turn yourself into a capable melee combatant as well, especially when using support weapons like stat damagers, destructers, paralyzers, etc.

The biggest drawback to the monk splash is that you will get your spells a level or two later (depending on when you take the 2nd monk level) and you will lose out on a little bit of SP and a few spell slots. The SP is more than made up for by the fact that you end up healing yourself a lottttt less between your AC and evasion, and you'll have enough spell slots as it is to run pretty much every cleric staple.

If you're a capable, efficient healer to begin with, I would heartily recommend the monk splash.

[Lymnus]

Yes they do.

No they don't.
Holding scroll. In water stance.
:/

[Visty]

Yes they do.

only candy canes do (if they havent fixed those yet) and as they are neither wands nor scrolls: you are wrong

[Ninetoes]

FWIW, Since this is my first cleric character of any kind:

1.) 1rg/2monk/3Cleric so far, and loving it. I can hit 34 AC without breaking a sweat, making me untouchable at this level. I'll hit an AC wall at some point, but currently not a problem.

2.) Evasion is sexy. Currently, I don't know that I'm missing the late-starting cleric spells and lower spell pen check (but then, this is still a newbie).

3.)Water stance is hot, free +2 wis. Wind stance is also viable for when I'm soloing or when I rip agro and need to kill whatever it is that's in my face.

4.) Scrolls and Wands do not cause me to loose my centered bonus.

5.) Breath of the Fire Dragon is fun and scales with your level. Usefull? Only for soloing, but it's hilarious to break out in a group.

Bottom line: I'm loving the monk splash (and frankly, the rogue splash is useful as well, but this was about monk splashes.)

Would I do it as a WF? Hell no.

[Hellllboy]

I'm re-rolling my WF cleric and i have a question. Would it be worth take Monk levels to get some extra Wisdom i lack being a Warfarged and evasion as well? Or do i give up to much as a cleric by taking on some monk? If you think monk would be a good idea could you point me in the right direction of a build or two or help me out at what levels would be best to take monk. I have 32pt build open and veteran stats. I would like to be able to heal/combat cast. If you don't think its doable then having some melee ability is alright. Thank you

Having capped one WF Cleric and am on my way to capping a WF FvS-I would say that it can be considered a very durable race for a pure Cleric.

I would not suggest the splash of Monk. I think this style of Cleric may be more suited to a Halfling, Elf or Human.

Being WF has a lot of advantages that no other race receives-they can be durable healers and are easily converted to light melee work if you have the Lord of Blades.

Having said that-you will never have the DC saves that other races may hold-but rest assured you may be the last player standing in a number of combat situations.

Good luck with your build.