I have a WF Stalwart Defender build that I accidentally made true neutral. I was origionally intending on splashing 2 levels of palidan and found out quite surprisingly what I did at lvl 14. I was going to take it for the extra ac it would offer me as he currently at 15 has a self buffed ac of 55. Seeing as I cannot splash monk either for reflex would a rogue splash for lvls 16 and 17 offer me some evasion and extra skill points? I haven't tried splashing rogue after lvl 1 so I'm not sure if I would still get the skill point boost. All I would be looking to pull out of the splash would be umd and evasion.
His current stats with items are
28/ 18/ 22/ 14/ 5/ 15
357hp
5dr/adamantine
I didn't do my homework and also found out that you need 13 charisma for FoP and not 12... so I am grinding out raids in hopes of a +3 tome for charisma as well. He is getting TR'd eventually but I want to get a couple GS's and some nice raid loot first.
Should I splash rogue? or go 20 fighter and be slightly gimped compared to a fighter/pali stalwart?
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03-01-2010, 07:42 AM #1Community Member
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Trying to salvage my lvl 15 fighter
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03-01-2010, 07:48 AM #2Community Member
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at this point a pure fighter would be better anyways because of the capstone. i don't think it is worth splashing pally anyways.
Originally Posted by rendet
if you were going to take a level of rogue you should have taken the 1st one at level 1 for the UMD anyways.
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03-01-2010, 07:26 PM #3Community Member
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you could always go back the drawing board and think about all of it....then do a lesser reincarnate to make it work with FOP and the like...quick and easy, and you could do lesser +1 to throw in a rogue at start and a rogue next level to get evasion and the good umd and such... Originally Posted by rendet
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03-01-2010, 07:38 PM #4Community Member
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You would certainly of been better off with the rogue at lvl 1for the umd so at this point it would be only for the evasion and a few extra skill points. Now with that being said if you take a lvl of rogue and do a lesser reinc you could rearrange the placement of levels to take rogue at levl 1 and then take a level of rogue after that to add to your skills but as you plan it right now it would only serve to give you evasion (not even that great of rolls on that either right now) and thats about it. My suggestion is stay fighter and TR at 20 Originally Posted by rendet
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03-01-2010, 07:39 PM #5Community Member
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While Reincarnation is available to "fix" mistakes,I'd agree that staying pure isn't a bad option... The capstone isn't bad for a fighter.
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03-01-2010, 07:55 PM #6Community Member
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Help me here. Why would you have been better to take Rog at Lvl 1? If your Int is good, you can catch up by putting all the skill points for the two rog lvls into UMD or whatever. 23 points is 23 points no matter when you spend them.
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03-01-2010, 08:13 PM #7Founder
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Because at first level, you get x4 skill points. Since a Rog gets 8+Int mod per level, you will get a minimum of 32 Skill points to spend at first level. Ftr gets 2+Int mod per level, giving you a minimum of 8 Skill points at first level. Taking your first rog lvl at any other than first char level is throwing skill points down the drain.
I can't tell for sure, but it looks like you started this guy with 18 Str which isn't the best choice for a Stalwart. You'll want to hit a 24 Dex (+7 Modifier) to Max out a WF MDB in Mithril Plating. If they ever fix the MDB for WF Stalwart in Adm plating, a 22 Dex (+6 Mod) will do.
edit * second thought you could take advantage of 24 Dex with mithril plating but would require a +2 exceptional dex item or else gimping your other stats. I'd suggest going Kensai and staying pure ftr with this build and then taking stalwart after you cap and gear up - or else TR to fix other stats.Last edited by Gorby; 03-01-2010 at 08:56 PM.
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03-01-2010, 08:18 PM #8Community Member
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Plus taking rogue skills as a fighter means you need to spend 2 skill points for 1 rank, making it completely impossible to catch up for those initial extra skill points. Originally Posted by Gorby
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03-01-2010, 08:40 PM #9Community Member
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Lorien and Gorby beat me to it, but that would be why.
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03-02-2010, 08:57 AM #10Community Member
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Thanks for the advice. I lesser Reincarnated +1 and took rogue as my first leveland my 16th level. I also did it to pick up FoP by fixing my charisma issue.
lvl 14 fighter/lvl 2 rogue
Gave him base stats of
16/14/16/12/6/12
He is currently sitting at
30/20/24/14/6/20
24umd
18bal
40int
Those are all stats with current gear. Dropped Stalwart for kensai since I do epic/endgame content where ac doesnt matter. I appreciate the advice and he is immensly more survivable than before.
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