Warforged pure Monk?

[Progen]

Just wondering how a 28 pt warforged pure monk would do on AC, Damager, Moves ect.

I was thinking of going
str - 14
dex - 16
con - 16
int - 8
cha - 6
wis - 12

Now The way I see it, i'd end up losing combat expertise and some wis, but gain some con and str. So would the docent armor bonus and all the docents help make up for that loss in DC? Also where would lvl ups go best? I would think about lvl ups in dex and go finesse. I like the idea of all those immunities and around 100% healing and repairing. The question for me is how this would compare to a build like the rocking robin?

Also how would a str based wf monk do and look like?

All help is appreciated!

[Ghoste]

Looks pretty good. The main difference between a dex and a str monk is number of attacks vs high ki gen (well, I guess thats more the difference between dex stance and str stance, but you need the stats for the stances). A dex monk is all about slapping out as many attacks as possible. A str monk does well going path of inevitable dominion as they can generate ki quickly in consuming flame stance to get up enough to use the big touch of death attack. With a str monk though, you want to have hi enough dex to get two weapon fighting feats, cuz that means even faster ki gen.

[Progen]

Also should i forget about AC? My hope for AC is to get to the point where I can make it through most of the trash mobs with limited healing. The other thing i was worried about was if the darkside stuff is mostly DC based which I won't really have a high DC with my wisdom.

For survivability I was thinking I could be using the way of the monkey maxed (I have the AP for it because no need for all that halfling stuff) for 8 stacking for all elements and then the 10/epic for the rest, which along with improved evasion and an amazing reflex save would help.

Basically the big question for me is if the WF dex based weapon finesse pumping dex monk can have the AC for trash mobs with grinding, or if I should just go with 18 dex total for wind stance and pump rest str, forgetting wisdom and AC entirely, or just go all str and fire stance?

[Progen]

Also will the tactic's line help alleviate the loss of DC for stunning fist?

[Progen]

Also anyone with more healing amp experience know how much you can get too on a warforged monk?

[Progen]

Bump, really want to choose a build so I can get some of that bonus xp

[Quijonsith]

wow, did you really bump your own thread within 19 minutes? From a roleplay stand point monks are supposed to be patient

with a low wisdom i would go light instead of dark since your DCs won't be very high. also because you mentioned a concern for survivability.

[Arkat]

Also will the tactic's line help alleviate the loss of DC for stunning fist?

Yes, they WILL help when you try Stunning Fist. Please note, however, if you use Handwraps with the "Weighted" property on them, they currently will NOT add to the DC of Stunning Fist.

Also anyone with more healing amp experience know how much you can get too on a warforged monk?

Healing Amplification +20% (Levik's Bracers are most common) +
Monk Improved Recovery II +
Healer's Friend II = 101% or 102% healing effectiveness.

[Progen]

wow, did you really bump your own thread within 19 minutes? From a roleplay stand point monks are supposed to be patient

with a low wisdom i would go light instead of dark since your DCs won't be very high. also because you mentioned a concern for survivability.

Yeah, I really just want to be able to get some 20% bonus exp for tonight, as I have the slot open for thelanis and it was down this morning when I was hoping to play.

Also Thanks Arkat, that was very helpful. I notice the wf 20 monk in your sig? would you mind sharing? Just bought monk when it went on sale so I have very little experience with them.

[Arkat]

Also Thanks Arkat, that was very helpful. I notice the wf 20 monk in your sig? would you mind sharing? Just bought monk when it went on sale so I have very little experience with them.

First, you're quite welcome.

Second, and you're not gonna like this, I advise waiting to build your Monk until you get access to 32 point builds. Of all the classes, Monk is the most stat-intensive. The 4 extra build points would be quite useful.

Third, I'd be happy to share my build with you but it will be for 32 points and I'm in the middle of re-writing it to reflect the different choices I made (stats mostly) with him after a Lesser Reincarnation. You may have to wait awhile...sorry.

If you do decide to make a 28 pt build Monk anyway, just think of your time with it as a learning experience. Playing a Monk well is harder than many other classes. Once you learn the ins and outs of the Monk, re-roll him and hopefully by that time you'll have access to 32 point builds.

[Progen]

Yeah, I guess so. Especially with the penalty to wis and the lack of dex bonus. Well thanks anyway, I appreciate it and look forward to looking at your build when you finalize it. Thanks for all the help!

[Impatiens]

If you do decide to make a 28 pt build Monk anyway, just think of your time with it as a learning experience. Playing a Monk well is harder than many other classes. Once you learn the ins and outs of the Monk, re-roll him and hopefully by that time you'll have access to 32 point builds.

Arkat is right, Monks, more than any other class benefit so much from the extra stat points. However if you really want to make a monk now you can do it with a 28 point build and hopefully by the time you have access to 32 point builds they also will have implemented greater reincarnation and you could go from 28 to 32 point with that without having to relevel, or you could TR and relevel from 1 with more XP needed but as a 34 point build and have the great monk past life feat. If you want to go monk now, go ahead and try it out. You can fix things much more easily now than you used to be able to.

Unfortunately I don't know a lot about WF monks to help you with a build. I play with human and halfling monk builds myself. As long as you start with a fairly even distribution among the important stats you will probably be good though.

[Progen]

What I ended up with was planning on abandoning a super high AC for tanking and only trying to minimize trash mob damage. Especially because I need a ton of adventure packs and grinding to get AC that high, and would be best with more pts.

So to solve that I plan on leveling him up as a str build designed to go to 20 and TR (10 epic dungeon tokens right?) And not worry much about ac.

So the starting stats would be
str 14
dex 16
con 16
int 8
wis 12
cha 6

Lvl ups into str and +2 tomes in dex and con would let me use 3 of the 4 stances up to grandmaster so I can mix and match for what I like best. Then with a better idea of what I enjoy the most, I will reincarnate for the monk past life feat along with the 34 pt build, both of which together should help vastly improve whatever type of monk I want to play.

Thanks for all the help in making this choice and let me know if I am making any grevious mistakes .

P.S. also going light path till lvl 9 where I will use free feat respec and go for the touch of death with sun stance to meet the ki cost.

[Toucheh]

Hey Arkat are you playing a WF 32 point build monk? I'm playing a 32-point build similar to the Rockan Robin build and the damage is kinda meh as a gnome, do you unleash more burst as a WF?

[Ghoste]

with a low wisdom i would go light instead of dark since your DCs won't be very high. also because you mentioned a concern for survivability.

DCs wont be very high? The only dark side attack that matters has no save. Up until approx lvl 10 one hit killing most bosses, no DC. But ya, he should worry about whether the shaken effect lands or not.

I ran Delera's on hard on my wf monk (dark side) earlier today. He killed the end boss before his helpers were able to spawn. Since they're all supposed to die when he dies, I ended up having to fight them all too because of killing him too quickly (1 hit). But ya, the whole time I was worried about whether my wisdom was high enough to land a shaken effect on him...

[Ninetoes]

Hey Arkat are you playing a WF 32 point build monk? I'm playing a 32-point build similar to the Rockan Robin build and the damage is kinda meh as a gnome, do you unleash more burst as a WF?

Well, since you're playing a race that doesn't exist, I imagine your damage won't be all that spectacular.


Note: The Rockan Robbin is a finesse based wis/dex monk, it won't do tons of damage per-hit. It WILL, however, attack so fast that you'll be unable to see the numbers clearly.

[Toucheh]

wow... sorry about that i meant half-ling, sorry im not used to using the name =P

does anyone have any personal experience playing it? I love the survivability and can solo hard quests, sometimes with a cleric hireling, but its meh for me, i usually like the big hits, but does survivability go down the drain with big hits? or are both obtainable with a WF

[Halock]

If you're going to Trip mobs then yes, WF Tactics enhancements will help. They will NOT help when you try Stunning Fist with Handwraps.

This is incorrect, stunning fist IS boosted by WF tactics, i posted pictures of it affecting it in a similar thread with a vet claiming it didnt.

Tactics does not affect quivering palm however

[Halock]

I woudlnt recommend a 28 point wf monk sadly as its been pointed out monk are one of the most heavily stat dependent classes out there., though if you were bent on going one your stat allocation looks good.

I woulndt worry about maxing flame stance, as once you get high enough and get oremi's necklace ki becomes a non issue, earth and wind imo need to be maxed, and you're set for those with +2 tomes.

I put my level points into wis though, as i valued the + ac and dc's of stunning fist and abilities over the slight hit/dam from str, though i should point out i'm speaking from a 36 point build, so my starting str and wis were higher. I also felt WF power attack would make up for not putting points into str.

Healing amps been covered, you can get over the 100% make, a ways over it if you wanted, but its not worth it imo, too much points, the bracer and rank 2's are best imo.

Few of my thoughts on your questions

[Toucheh]

Just did a couple quests with my new level 4 32-point build WF dark path, must say I am Loving it!

Soloing missions on hard, and the main difference between the WF str based build and rockan robin build is tempo.

I've found that the rockin robin light path build allows me to clear missions at a steady pace and taking on multiple mobs at once with small heals here and there. With my WF dark path i just bulldoze through every mob in most cases killing trash in one hit. Only level 4 atm so can't comment on higher level stuff but so far its an awesome build, and by far my favorite char.