quicken vs high concentration

[Inhis25]

Hi, I have a question to experienced players. I'm reincarnating my drow sorc to wf one. It will have good dr with shield. The play style will be = put some fw and/or fog spell take aggro of a big group of mobs run into your sell and w8 till they die (holding shield block). Other think is I want to tank some bosses - it is possible with good gear, but this is not important. Important is my question:

Do I need quicken or high concentration is ok? I want to repair my self and cast some other spells(not often) while mobs and/or boss will attack me. My concentration can be really high (good con, enhancements, gear) but I don't know if it is so useful in endgame. Will my concentration be sufficient enough or I need to take quicken feat?

Sorry for my English - know it suck.

Thx.

[blitzschlag]

you still get interrupted more often than not with maxxed conc + great gear in endgame. so if you wanna solo lots or like it in the thick of it you will need quicken.

anyway, if you experienced quickened casting with one of your casters you won't roll any without it again

[twix]

On my wf sorc at lvl 20 i have a 45 concentration i think and i hardly ever get interupted.I would never play my cleric or fvs without quicken but with my sorc concentration has worked out great.

[Inhis25]

On my wf sorc at lvl 20 i have a 45 concentration i think and i hardly ever get interupted.I would never play my cleric or fvs without quicken but with my sorc concentration has worked out great.

Why "yes" on your cleric and "no" on your sorc? Is is coz sorc cast faster or coz you are not getting dmg on him?

[twix]

I tend to go human for the extra feat and human stat enhancement on my healers.Also failed concentration checks will happen no matter what you do besides having quicken.On a sorc maybe you die or have to recast. On a cleric a failed concentration check could mean a party wipe.

My sorc hardly fails his concentration checks but once in a while he does.But being wf i have 400 hp and can full heal myself.So i will more then likely be able to take a hit and just recast .Also being a sorc i already cast plenty fast.Quicken just seems like a waste of a feat and overkill to me. Just my 2 cents.

[Arctigis]

Why "yes" on your cleric and "no" on your sorc? Is is coz sorc cast faster or coz you are not getting dmg on him?

Faster casting. Sorcerors are a feat starved class so it's always a trade off

[epochofcrepuscule]

Hi, I have a question to experienced players. I'm reincarnating my drow sorc to wf one. It will have good dr with shield. The play style will be = put some fw and/or fog spell take aggro of a big group of mobs run into your sell and w8 till they die (holding shield block). Other think is I want to tank some bosses - it is possible with good gear, but this is not important. Important is my question:

Do I need quicken or high concentration is ok? I want to repair my self and cast some other spells(not often) while mobs and/or boss will attack me. My concentration can be really high (good con, enhancements, gear) but I don't know if it is so useful in endgame. Will my concentration be sufficient enough or I need to take quicken feat?

Sorry for my English - know it suck.

Thx.

If you want to be in the thick of it, especially tanking some bosses, you will need quicken. Otherwise, a high concentration works fine. My drow sorc has about a 40 and is hardly ever interrupted... and she doesn't even use stoneskin....

Why "yes" on your cleric and "no" on your sorc? Is is coz sorc cast faster or coz you are not getting dmg on him?

Probably yes on a cleric as the grp depends on him and you dont want to take those kinds of chances in a raid... Thats my assumption anyways. My cleric doesn't use quicken.. then again its a dwarf and has a concentration up in the high 40's.

[Crazyfruit]

With 55 concentration the only thing that interrupts me are epic (often), a few raid bosses occasionally and elite shavarath.

[Knippers]

Quicken only affects concentration on your spells cast from your spell points. Even with it on, if using a scroll or wand you still will have to make a concentration check.

And my cleric has high concentration (can't remember what it is atm) but I use quicken only when I want to shorten the healing times or in some epic situtations.

[Inhis25]

Thx for advice guys. You are very helpful

With 55 concentration the only thing that interrupts me are epic (often), a few raid bosses occasionally and elite shavarath.

Do you remember numbers and rolls? I am just curious how much do I need(60? 65?) and is it possible.

[Vivalavida]

Quicken only affects concentration on your spells cast from your spell points. Even with it on, if using a scroll or wand you still will have to make a concentration check.

And my cleric has high concentration (can't remember what it is atm) but I use quicken only when I want to shorten the healing times or in some epic situtations.

dont think you need to make concentration check when you are using wands.

[Knippers]

Sorry, a UMD check for a wand - not concentration.

[kaelis]

you still get interrupted more often than not with maxxed conc + great gear in endgame. so if you wanna solo lots or like it in the thick of it you will need quicken.

anyway, if you experienced quickened casting with one of your casters you won't roll any without it again

Erm, not on a sorc.

On my wf sorc at lvl 20 i have a 45 concentration i think and i hardly ever get interupted.I would never play my cleric or fvs without quicken but with my sorc concentration has worked out great.

This.

I have tanked vod and healed myself, without quicken. Very high concentration with good rolls and timing hits, and damage reduction (docent of defiance) are good enough if you know how to use it. I "get into the thick of it" all the time without quicken and 90% of the time come out of it alive.

[Dark-Star]

I have very high concentration on my wf sorc, and used to be strongly in the camp that quicken was a wasted feat for that class/race.

While we were working on beating the Shroud speed record, I swapped into it to see if I could increase the speed at which I cycled through the 2-3 spells I cast in part 4, and ended up keeping the feat.

Now I find myself using it quite often, and would not swap it out. Yes it helps for the concentration, but it's the increased casting speed which I find really useful. Examples of the times I turn it on are kiting in part 2 of ToD, and in DQ2 Epic kiting the archers (and sometimes the efreeti at the same time) while healing my self and a warforged tank and doing dps on the Queen all at the same time. There are times when my tank and or/myself take large bursts of damage, and quicked reconstructs and repair crits are the difference between living and dying.

Like all meta feats, it's situational, but I would not swap it out personally doing the content I run.

[maddmatt70]

Its warforge vs. fleshy. On a warforge this feat is more valuable because of the healing aspect whereas on a fleshy this is all about maximizing damage or getting off a key cc spell where concentration is a concern. I would not put this on a fleshy sorc, but I would on a warforge. Quicken is not as important as heighten, maximize or empower, but it falls in the next tier of feats for a sorc.

[Phidius]

With 55 concentration the only thing that interrupts me are epic (often), a few raid bosses occasionally and elite shavarath.

Of course, these are the times when it's crucial to not fail your Reconstruct

[Inhis25]

Erm, not on a sorc.

This.

I have tanked vod and healed myself, without quicken. Very high concentration with good rolls and timing hits, and damage reduction (docent of defiance) are good enough if you know how to use it. I "get into the thick of it" all the time without quicken and 90% of the time come out of it alive.

docent of defiance is cool but as i good remember u have 1% chance to get 20/- for 20 sec only. So if u want to have it all the time u must get 5 hits each second(huh, don't remember many situations when i get so many hits at 1 sec).