Communications Breakdown

[Sirea]

Anyone who knows me knows that my biggest pet peeve in this game is people that cannot or will not listen to instructions.

Instructions that I consider pretty simple:

"Keep fighting Suulo and let so-and-so kite the second wave of orthons"
"Please everyone run water when you're out of your puzzles"
"If you are going to leave, LEAVE NOW, because we are hitting the altar when Harry dies whether you're out or not."
"If you are new, please say something so we can explain to you what to do"

I have experienced all of these in groups in the last couple days and invariably there is someone who just doesn't get it. Someone who feels the need to hack away at an orthon instead of letting it follow the person tasked with keeping them away from the party. Someone who sits in the middle of Part 3 and either immediately goes AFK (as if they can't wait to AFK for a minute and do it while people are buffing) or loots the underwater chests while everyone else solves/runs. Someone who ignores repeatedly voiced/typed instructions to GET OUT NOW then says "hey, I wanted to leave" when we hit the altar.

And no matter how many time you say it, in the nicest, most patient tone of voice you can muster, about 80% of the time there is at least one person who can't muster the courage to say "yeah, I'm new at this", and goes on to blunder their way through the quest making silly mistakes that they could have been warned against, and making it 10x harder on the rest of the party (repeat PuG Abbot fails anyone?)

What is the root cause of this? Arrogance? Ignorance? I'm seriously stumped on this. Why do people insist on acting in this manner? If someone says they are new right off the bat, I'm more likely to explain things as we go and less likely to get upset when something goes wrong. Is there someone that thinks "that halfling FvS can't possibly kite all those orthons! I know! I'll help!" and in trying to help actually makes things more difficult than they have to be? The examples go on and on.

If anyone can explain this behavior to me, the dent in my desk from my head repeatedly making contact with it won't have to get any bigger.

[wamjratl1]

Preach it.


What's up with the water-pikers? They bug me most of all.

[cpito]

No answers for you maybe this will help:

*ductapes a pillow over the dent in Sirea's desk*

[Belwaar]

Preachin' to the choir, my brotha

[cpito]

Preachin' to the choir, my sistah

[ssgtkeats]

. Someone who sits in the middle of Part 3 and either immediately goes AFK (as if they can't wait to AFK for a minute and do it while people are buffing) or loots the underwater chests while everyone else solves/runs.

...How are they looting the underwater chests before the puzzles are solved and the bird baths are full?

[cpito]

...How are they looting the underwater chests before the puzzles are solved and the bird baths are full?

the barrier comes down once all the puzzles are done regardless of how many fountains there are left to fill

[ssgtkeats]

My noobness shines through, did not realize the barrier came down when the puzzles were solved (maybe cause I'm never there when the puzzles are solved, usually running water or solving others puzzles). Thanks for the info.

[KingOfCheese]

Reasons for this that I have seen:

1) no speakers
2) not listening to speakers (lots of people are doing other things like watching TV, talking on the phone, listening to music, dealing with chaos (e.g., children) in the background)
3) not good with english
4) children that aren't old enough or skilled enough to follow instructions or pay attension
5) screw the man attitude
6) panic combined with non-uber skills--players that are overwhelmed by the amount of things that they are trying to follow and not naturally good with dealing with such situations
7) lack of focus
8) lack of memory
9) lack of smarts
10) fear of group communication
11) no mic; and not a good typer

[kingfisher]

weed man! its the weed!

[Ninetoes]

weed man! its the weed!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kingfisher again.

Came to post EXACTLY this quote.

As an aside, (and as a returning player after a 2+ year hiatus), I ALWAYS tell people, in no uncertain terms, that I have no @#$ing idea what I'm doing. No one's every had a problem with it, because I punch whatever they tell me to, be it a monster or a switch. I'm a good little wooden robot.

If someone was nice enough to say "Hey, if you're new, tell me now" I'd be all over that, saves me the trouble of telling you myself.

[Samadhi]

weed man! its the weed!

no, the question for that answer is: "what cures ADD well enough to sit at a computer for more than 23 mins straight without bouncing off a wall or four."

[emoh]

I was in a group yesterday in the Shroud, there was so much lag in there that some people was still fighting while others are looting the chest. If lag is present which everyone knows there was...hold off a bit at let people catch up. Sometimes it is another reason beyond the control of the players. Patience on the side of the ones staying in for the completion could be at fault there. Just my opinion.

In this case I witnessed someone die 2 times. By the time the guy could recall out or use the DD. they hit the altar.
Was that the guys fault that died? or should there have been about 30 seconds of additional patience. That much lag and even sound laggs, chat lags...Just slow down for 30 sec and let people cath up. I felt sorry for the guy...he is now locked out for 2 days.

Sometimes patience is a virtue..even if it is only 30 secs ...lag causeds alot more problems than people think.

When your walking away from a kill..and people are still fighting as if the mob is still up..take that into consideration.

[Samadhi]

In this case I witnessed someone die 2 times. By the time the guy could recall out or use the DD. they hit the altar.
Was that the guys fault that died? .

It is called releasing and works wonders for getting you out of there ASAP.

[emoh]

It is called releasing and works wonders for getting you out of there ASAP.

What I may have left out.. the guy was still fighting as we headed to the altar, he died for the second time after the mob was dead..tell me that was not lag on his behalf. And if there was that much lag...how long do you think it was before he know he was dead. Cant explain it better than that.. I do believe patience of even 30 seconds would have help the guy.

I dont know, but some people will always blame everything on the player. Yesterday..you all know the lag in the shroud was extremely gbad. more than most days.

Still saying patience would have helped the lagger. From my stand point it was not his fault. His comps fault, his connections fault, the Turbine Datacenter moves fault. I saw lagg..more than just him was rubberbandding bad in there..at least the time I was in.

[Justicar]

weed man! its the weed!

Well played sir.

[ChaelaAnne]

What I may have left out.. the guy was still fighting as we headed to the altar, he died for the second time after the mob was dead..tell me that was not lag on his behalf. And if there was that much lag...how long do you think it was before he know he was dead. Cant explain it better than that.. I do believe patience of even 30 seconds would have help the guy.

I dont know, but some people will always blame everything on the player. Yesterday..you all know the lag in the shroud was extremely gbad. more than most days.

Still saying patience would have helped the lagger. From my stand point it was not his fault. His comps fault, his connections fault, the Turbine Datacenter moves fault. I saw lagg..more than just him was rubberbandding bad in there..at least the time I was in.

In this case, I'm sure that people asked several times if anyone was leaving, and if they didn't, he should have mentioned it going into part 5.

[Draccus]

When I was TR-ing, I managed to completely avoid PUGs for the vast majority of my leveling. The one time I ran with a partial PUG was Sleeping Dust. It was bad from the start. One guy, a fighter with a two-handed sword, wouldn't listen to typed or spoken instructions.

Dresek: "Don't kill the spiders, OK?"

*fighter attacks a spider*

Dresek: "Hey LeetMastahKillah, Don't kill spiders! Stop attacking them or we'll fail!"

LeetMastahKillah: "OK, sorry."

You have killed a spider!

Dresek: "Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. One of the requirements of this quest is that we don't kill more than five spiders. You've already killed one so please stop attacking them or we'll fail the quest."

You have killed a spider!

Dresek: "I have a better idea."

Dresek kills a spider
Dresek kills a spider

You have failed the quest!

"Well, looks like we failed. Sorry guys, good luck." Leave group. Reform without pug. Finished quest.

[Sirea]

In this case, I'm sure that people asked several times if anyone was leaving, and if they didn't, he should have mentioned it going into part 5.

Sounds like Emoh was probably in our Shroud run when this happened, in which case he would have heard Oogly telling the rogue the first time he died to just release (since the rogue had said earlier in the run that he wanted to leave). Instead, the rogue takes a res and dies again. Again, we tell him to release if he still wants to leave. He just sits there, no voice or typed communication, even if you're lagging, you can still type in the chat box. It wasn't until we'd asked a couple more times, hit the altar, and looted, that he finally speaks up "hey I wanted to leave"

[Samadhi]

... even if you're lagging, you can still type in the chat box. ..

Ya this too if releasing is too complex.

TBH I doubt this guy was in either of our runs just because we had so many repeated instructions to leave (and so many pugs did successfully leave) that anyone with even the barest grasp of how to type (as coming on the forums shows he does) would not have questioned what happened IMO.

And for that rogue, is this the one that complained that we finished after I had looted, got end reward, dropped group, And had finished selling? Ya... I find it hard to believe that is lag. If it is, typing something like "hey i'm lagging an absurd amount please give me an extra minute to get out" would probably work wonders. Accepting rez's? Sounds like he's not lagging that bad :P