Denied Epic VON because no quicken, (GTWF vs. quicken feat question)

[Elrok]

Ok, Im a level 20 fvs, but was refused (in a polite way) joining an epic Von6 run because i did not have quicken. I have a self buffed concentration around 40. I guess with his global damage from wing buffs this is not enough?

Ok but the real question is maybe I should drop GTWF for quicken? Is GTWF that helpful.. I melee alot and dual scimitars is very fun. I can see real use for quicken.. would make mass heal actually usable, as well as BB much easier to cast... but what is the trade off if I drop GTWF?

My feats are: toughness, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, maximize, extend, Imporved critical: slash

I really don't want to drop extend, altough that is probably the logical choice?

What would i give up by dropping GTWF?

[Aaxeyu]

You could drop IC: slash and just use mineral II scimitars.

[Crazyfruit]

Hmm... that's definitely a tough choice. I think I'd keep what you currently have though - by now you're used to playing without quicken, and that doesn't affect scrolls anyways.

Toughness is another to consider trading away if you find yourself rarely at low hp

[Strakeln]

I think I'd drop extend before toughness. Yeah, it sucks, extend is nice, but you can do without it.

You can do without quicken as well, but there are times - such as when winning strats to new raids aren't widely known - where it could be considered required.

[Chelsa]

There is no correct choice on this one. It depends on what you want to do. No matter what your choice you will have to adjust your play style for 1 quest.

[Seelowe]

You could drop IC: slash and just use mineral II scimitars.

QFT

it is the easiest way to bypass your problem. minIIs are keen by design so you save a feat.
you really, really want quicken in any build that choses blade barriers and heal spells actually imho. or any build that wants to run around amrath quests in the middle of 12 teleporting cleaving devils etc

[Solmage]

Add 1 more vote for min II scimis and quicken vs imp crit slash.

[Gorby]

I have a self buffed concentration around 40. I guess with his global damage from wing buffs this is not enough?

Correct. The wing attack will hit you no matter what for ~70 pts damage. If you take a low damage roll with a high concentration check, you might be able to cast through it but theres no reason for the fate of the party to reside on an unlikely concentration roll. If the main healer is on the floor and you fail that check .. it's gonna be over soon.

When more people get familiar with this quest, restrictions may loosen but for now there is no shortage of healers with quicken who want to join epic raids.

[sirgog]

Personally I'd drop Extend if you are using weapons with better DPS than Mineral 2s, or drop Imp Crit Slashing if you use Mineral 2s as your main DPS weapons.

Quicken is just that good in Epics.

[Dark-Star]

Anyone calculated the dps differences between itwf and gtwf since all of the combat changes?

[rendet]

drop extend until you get those min2's. when you get them you can trade out imp crit slashing for extend if you so desire. As a melee fvs I doubt you rely too much on BB's anyway since you dont have quicken to start with. You shouldn't miss extend very much.

[Matuse]

My concentration is around 30 (I don't know exactly what it is), but I never pass concentration checks. Ever. So I use Quicken all the time.

[Samadhi]

I consider quicken pretty much the must have spell for any caster anymore.

[Strakeln]

I consider quicken pretty much the must have spell for any caster anymore.

Seems pretty useless on a sorc, for the most part. I guess it depends on how you play your caster... if you're planning on parking yourself in the middle of 20 mobs, yeah, probably a good idea to have quicken. If you're more of a hop-around-and-don't-get-hit sorc, quicken may be fairly useless.

[Impatiens]

You could drop IC: slash and just use mineral II scimitars.

This. Even if you don't get Mineral II scimitars for a while IC: slash is nice, but not game breaking. I would never run without quicken on my FVS no matter how good my concentration was. How can you stand your blade barriers taking that long to cast?

[maddmatt70]

Ok, Im a level 20 fvs, but was refused (in a polite way) joining an epic Von6 run because i did not have quicken. I have a self buffed concentration around 40. I guess with his global damage from wing buffs this is not enough?

Ok but the real question is maybe I should drop GTWF for quicken? Is GTWF that helpful.. I melee alot and dual scimitars is very fun. I can see real use for quicken.. would make mass heal actually usable, as well as BB much easier to cast... but what is the trade off if I drop GTWF?

My feats are: toughness, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, maximize, extend, Imporved critical: slash

I really don't want to drop extend, altough that is probably the logical choice?

What would i give up by dropping GTWF?

I never use quicken in epic von6 - what a waste of mana. I do wear a concentration +15 item (my concentration is about 50). Next time somebody says that tell them your concentration skill and make sure you wear a nice concentration item and other gear. Look to acquire gear for concentration if you have not already doen so. It is not a bad idea to have quicken in general but it is not needed for von6 and should be discouraged because it leads to mana pot usage.

[Nick_RC]

I'd drop extend over IC any day.

I crit means u are not stuck with the average min 2. U get higher dps by tailoring ur weapons vs opponents. Extend is a waste IMO with all ur short term buffs lasting over 2 mins anyway. And 2 mins is a lifetime in fast runs. Extend to me is a conveniance and for Battleclerics conveniance feats are just too hard too include.

N

[Nick_RC]

Anyone calculated the dps differences between itwf and gtwf since all of the combat changes?

2 attacks a sequence I beleive - not a numbers guy but from the gut its a lot.

N

[Mentor61]

This. Even if you don't get Mineral II scimitars for a while IC: slash is nice, but not game breaking. I would never run without quicken on my FVS no matter how good my concentration was. How can you stand your blade barriers taking that long to cast?

He seems melee oriented,I doubt his bb casting time matters.

[Impatiens]

He seems melee oriented,I doubt his bb casting time matters.

My FVS is melee oriented too, I still love blade barrier