(18 Rogue / 1 Ranger / 1 Bard) arcane archer / assassin

[xdbitx]

Just another build idea, can deal death dealing blows from close up or far away depending on situation, scimitar and shield for close up


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Maiyn Tahlasra
Level 20 Neutral Good Elf Female
(18 Rogue / 1 Ranger / 1 Bard)
Hit Points: 162
Spell Points: 70

BAB: 14/14/19/24
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 23
Will: 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14
Dexterity 16 26
Constitution 12 12
Intelligence 16 16
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 8 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 3 9
Bluff -1 6
Concentration 1 2
Diplomacy -1 0
Disable Device 7 27
Haggle 3 23
Heal -1 0
Hide 7 40
Intimidate -1 0
Jump 6 20
Listen 3 25
Move Silently 7 40
Open Lock 7 32
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 3 4
Search 7 29
Spot 3 25
Swim 2 3
Tumble 7 32
Use Magic Device 3 23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot

Level 2 (Ranger)

Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse

Level 4 (Rogue)

Level 5 (Rogue)

Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot

Level 7 (Rogue)

Level 8 (Rogue)

Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons

Level 10 (Rogue)

Level 11 (Rogue)

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot

Level 13 (Rogue)

Level 14 (Rogue)

Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion

Level 16 (Rogue)

Level 17 (Rogue)

Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery

Level 19 (Rogue)

Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

[kanbeki]

having played a repeater rogue, the real question is why not any other class? you won't get backstab with a bow unless you are right on top of them

[xdbitx]

this build let's me make vorpal attacks while sneaking or shooting. Just thought it would be a pretty good combination, and it doesn't seem like anyone else has tried it yet

[kanbeki]

again, sneak attack only goes off in a certain range of the mob, so you won't be landing many vorpal strikes unless you are within melee range with your bow

[chaoscummings]

again, sneak attack only goes off in a certain range of the mob, so you won't be landing many vorpal strikes unless you are within melee range with your bow

Actually it is 30ft. (Same as the qualification for point blank shot and sneak attack bonus)

On a side note: I am curious to see if the Assassin 1 poison effects will apply on a ranged sneak attack. Please post when you find out. Could be an effective tool for disabling casters with Thoughtburn.

[unbongwah]

this build let's me make vorpal attacks while sneaking or shooting.

According to the description of Assassin III, "any sneak attack that also counts as a vorpal strike (natural 20 followed by critical confirmation) that you make will kill most living targets." As chaoscummings said, you have to be within 30 feet to get a ranged sneak attack.

Also, why bard instead of wizard?

[Cyr]

OP scimi is not a finesse weapon. Also, you might find that your AC will not be high enough to matter in any case.

All your combat should be done within 30 ft. of the target. This means agro management will be key with the build. I would consider diplo on a build like this. It is a great mechanic for archers. That way you can grab agro from far away, diplo them off when close, and melee takes it away from you in the meanwhile. Preferably you never want to be running away from the mobs causing melee annoyance and lost dps.

[adsfy1]

Imbue Slaying Arrows can provide vorpals at longer range as well

[GhoulsTouch]

Why not 2 ranger for rapidshot and bowstrength, two free feats...three if you count twf? Just for the Vorpal?

[supp3nhuhn]

I have a 13 rogue / 1 wizard arcane archer myself and its great fun to play.

Problems i see with your build:

1. You end up with 70 sp, so when you run into an antimagic field you need to drink a pot or won't be able to imbue slaying arrows anymore.

2. You didn't even learn enough perform to use inspire courage which is quite an oversight.

3. You have no cc skills which don't lower dps on ranged chars and help alot with survivability as well as damage output due to backstabs.

4. You have no toughness so you are very squishy, together with point 3 this means you will have to kite to stay alive which is the sole reason so many people hate archers because its a great way to get whiped in bossfights. Get rid of one of your melee feats (they both won't work together anyways) and take toughness instead.

Actually it is 30ft. (Same as the qualification for point blank shot and sneak attack bonus)

On a side note: I am curious to see if the Assassin 1 poison effects will apply on a ranged sneak attack. Please post when you find out. Could be an effective tool for disabling casters with Thoughtburn.

Poison effects do work on range but those 30ft can be quite short depending on the direction the npc is heading to atm, might be due to lag issues or something like that.
Assassinate unfortunately is melee weapon only.

[ArchStriker]

Not a fan of that bard level....:P

[licho]

Hi,
Looks interesting.
The sneak attack for sure works with bows (tested) as well as throwing weapons, there is build of halfing thrower somewhere, which claims to be effective. You need be preatty close thou (30f.), however in practice it means just keeping second line, and is quite fun. (no running to enemies)

Stats:
Int 16 looks like overkill. And set str at 16.
(that probably means no hagle)
I would also recomend keeping str/dex more balanced. Lv ups into str, ench to dex.
So you can ignore Finesse.

Enchacements
I fail my spot check on elven archery line (attack dmg), which is worth taking, at least two tiers in dmg line, much more than rogue dex III.


Skills:
If you keep bard for some reason, you can spend 3 sp into perform, so you can active inspire. It would be very poor inspire, but if there is no bard around why not?

Diplomacy is quite helpfull on squishy archers.

Class:
I do not see point behind bard, in the same time Wizz offers mental tuffnes (+95 SP + int boni) as well as elf ench boni. And Sorc doubles sp from items. I would not count on casting, since Cl will stay low -> short duration. And you will need sp for imbue.

Also i would consider taking two levels of ranger/fighter. For more space for feat selection.

Im not sure how many vorpals you need, you get one from slaying arrows, do you need another from sneak attack?

Feat selection:
It lacks improved precise shot. Being able to shoot two at once is a major dmg boost.

It also lacks tuffness in combinacion with low con creates deadly potion.

[Craigbeme]

I have a similar build. It requires acess to 32 point build and halfelf.


Haseo
20 Chaotic Good Half-Elf Male
(18 rogue/ 2 Wizard)
Hit points 198 (possibly 208)
Spell Points 313

BAB:14/14/19/24
Fortitude:8
Reflex:17
Will:10

Take two levels of wizard at 7 and 8, rest rogue.

Atributes (level 1) (level 20)

Str 14 16

Dex 15 22

Con 14 14

Int 14 16

Wis 12 12

Cha 10 10

SKills (Level 1) (level 20)
Blance 6 21
Bluff 0 6
Concentration 2 2
Diplomacy 0 0
Diable Device 6 26
Haggle 2 17
Heal 1 1
Hide 6 35
Intimidate 0 0
Jump 6 15
Listen 3 18
Move Silently 6 37
Openlock 6 29
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 2 3
Search 6 26
Spot 5 24
Swim 2 3
Tumble 6 23
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Feats:
level 1 Point Blank Shot/Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger
level 3 Precision Shot
level 6 Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
level 7 (Bonus feat wizard) Mental Toughnes
level 9 Rapid Shot
level 12 Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons/ Defensive Roll
level 15 Toughness/ Crippling Strike
level 18 Many Shot/ Improved Evasion

Spells
Detect Secret Doors
Expeditious Rrtreat
Feather Fall
Jump
Master's Touch
Merfolk's Blessing
Tumble

Enancements
The plan is to get to level 9 and redo your enhancements, thats when AA becomes available in this build (Requireing a BAB that you don't get until then.)
Enhancemnets taken from level 9 to 20:
level 9
Damage Boost I & II
Haste Boost I
SKill Boost I
Improved Ranger Dilettante I
Human Adaptability Strength I
Subtle Backstabbing I
Rogue Assassin I
Sneak attack Accuracy I & II
Sneak attack Training I & II & III
Improved Hide I & II
Improved Move Silently I & II
Rogue Dex I
Wizard Int I
Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrow
Elven Arcane Archer I

Level 10
Haste boost II & III

Level 11
Arcane ARcher: Imbue Acid Arrows
Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows

Level 12
Improved Ranger Dilettante II
Sneak Attack accuracy II

Level 14
Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Rogue Assassin II
Rogue Dexterity II

Level 15
Human Greater Adaptability Dex

Level 16
Sneak Attack Training IV

Level 17
Arcane Archer: Imbue Terrow Arrows
Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows

Level 18
Sneak Attack Accuracy IV

level 19
Rogue Dexterity III

Level 20
Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Rogue Assassin III

This leaves you with 1 extra point, Could get explosive force arrow or Racial toughnes for 10 more hp. Another choice could be to not take conjure +5 arrows or imbue slaying arrrows and get Improve Dilletante III to get 8 points of str (not 8 str but +8 bonus from str) to your bow dmg, instead of 6.

All stats are based off just enhancements/levels gained. No equipment or tomes.
Conludeing Sneak attack damage is 11d6+12+600 vorpal (with imbue slaying/assassin III)