Please Review My Warchanter

[Melis]

I've done a lot of reading up on building a Warchanter, so I think I'm ready for feedback. Any opinions and suggestions are appreciated.

To be honest, I'm really needing help with what enhancements to choose.

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Bard) 
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 589 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 15
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    20
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    22.5
Bluff                 0                     2
Concentration         6                    25
Diplomacy             0                     2
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                    25
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            0                     2
Jump                  6                    23
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               4                    25
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 8 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 16 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I

[DartanTR]

I'm kind of new at this as well.

Why empowering healing? Doesn't maximize do more +healing?
Why 18 bard? 15 for the 2nd best inspire courage, 16 for mass cure mod.

[Rusty_Can]

Why empowering healing? Doesn't maximize do more +healing?

Empower Healing is 10 more spellpoints for 50% more healing, whereas Maximize is 25 more spellpoints for 100% more healing; hence, Empower Healing is often cheaper. OTOH, Maximize would also affect more spells, not only healing ones, but the only "blasting" spell bards have is Greater Shout.

Why 18 bard? 15 for the 2nd best inspire courage, 16 for mass cure mod.

I guess for Tier III of PrE, yet to be released.

[BoBoDaClown]

Looks good.

I wouldn't spend enhancements on non-combat stuff like charisma - but that's just me

I personally would start with cha 8 and dex 15 (+2 tome), but your stats are fine/good.

[spartin]

looks good to me, only think i would change is less points into jump (skill maxes at 40, +30 comes on a belt or from arcane + gh + str modifier and its maxed) and up your intimidate. if you end up with multiple concordiant opps + hound shield/madstone you can easly be orthon tank in vod (also works in other areas) and charge your batteries up.

[Irinis]

With 14 base cha at end you're not going to use many spells that need spell pen, and just one spell pen enhancement is not going to cut it either. Your role will be buffs, buffs, songs, and more buffs, with some healing if you have spell points left.

Lyric of song isn't that great, get wand and scroll mastery so you can be more effective healing from scrolls.

Eat a +1 cha tome as well and save the AP from bard cha III for something more valuable to your build.

[blitzschlag]

looks like a solid melee warchanter to me.

personally i'd go maximize instead of empower healing. the warchanter set gives -4 sp cost on maximize and it works great with greater shout aswell

[Salaman]

I roll with a 18 bard/2 fighter as well so these are my suggestions.

Should put all your level up points into STR

For enhancements, you'll want to fit in fighter strength 1 and fighter haste boost 1 (it stacks with spell haste). Could drop the lyric of song and spell penetration enhancements, as well as inspired bravery 3 (don't see much point in more fear save when you're packing greater heroism)

[Ybbald]

I guess for Tier III of PrE, yet to be released.

Is there even a Tier II?

[BattleCircle]

Is there even a Tier II?

Not yet, but it really can be only a matter of time. Every other PrE has 3 tiers. OTOH there is a good chance that when bards do get their PrE tiers they will be nerfed. It would be pretty tough to improve upon warchanter without over powering.

To the OP, looks like a pretty good build, battle bards are a blast. IMO elves make better battle bards than human, because of the scimmy enhancements. /shrug. It's just a matter of preferance. Someone else may prefer barforged (dwarf). Run what you want to run.

And as someone else already mentioned put all level ups into strength. Personally I would start with 14 dex, and hope, pray, beg, borrow, whatever I had to do to get tomes.

Good Luck, and have fun

[sgtbud]

i'm looking for the carac of you're warchanter, i think it's a little poor.
I have a spellsinger lvl18 with 34 in charisme and all charac ar better than 10.
and i have 1200 mana point and 250hp

[Krag]

i'm looking for the carac of you're warchanter, i think it's a little poor.
I have a spellsinger lvl18 with 34 in charisme and all charac ar better than 10.
and i have 1200 mana point and 250hp

What?

[Melis]

Here's the build I finally settled on. Thank you all for your good advice. I'm pushing past level 4 and I'm having a blast with it.

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Bard) 
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 569 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 15
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    20
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    22.5
Bluff                 0                     2
Concentration         6                    25
Diplomacy             0                     2
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                    25
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            0                     2
Jump                  6                    23
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               4                    25
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 8 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song II


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 16 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Incredible Song III


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery III

[Krag]

I would move skill points from concentration into intimidate. In the end-game you won't be able to reliably cast spells while being damage anyways.


Consider dropping Emp Healing for Maximize. Don't worry, you won't overheal.

[Anderei]

Look like a fine build I would be glad to have with me in any party I'm with.

Don't know about the BAB requirements, you might move Toughness to lvl 6-9 as the HP benefit at start isn't that great, the attack bonus more useful, possibly. But here we are all talking about the frosting on the build.

As there is no PRE III enhancement, it might be feasible to take another 3 lvl of something else (as 15 is the last courage increase), possibly also 3. (depends on if you miss any of the lvl 6 spells) But when TP brings out PRE III you'd need to buy a +3 hearth :/

[Noctus]

Lookig good now.