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  1. 02-17-2010, 11:59 AM #1
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    Default Holy Archer

    I was tossing the idea around a little and figured that an arcane archer based on a paladin could be fun.... IF zeal effects ranged rate of fire.

    If I remember you can't smite with a bow... but still.. with pally buffs it may work out.

    Has anyone though of doing this before?
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  2. 02-17-2010, 12:12 PM #2
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    I would love to see someone pull it off!!! HAHAHHHAHA
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  3. 02-17-2010, 12:15 PM #3
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    So you're talking 14/6 paladin/ranger? (to get manyshot and Bow Strength)
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  4. 02-17-2010, 01:02 PM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    So you're talking 14/6 paladin/ranger? (to get manyshot and Bow Strength)
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    I would love to see someone pull it off!!! HAHAHHHAHA
    EDIT: re-reading kotc description, you don't get its extra damage on ranged attacks making KOTC III pretty much a waste on an archer character. believe it or not, HUNTER OF THE DEAD would be the paladin PrE to use with an arching paladin... shame there's so few high level undead. since i'm bored i'll draw one up.


    actually you could get bow strength and manyshot with just 1 ranger allowing DM III and kotc III. this is a trade off of melee damage though, since you won't be able to fit in many(if any) melee feats, you'd be pure archer

    here's a build i just threw together but it shows that kotc and AA full spec can both fit

    Code:
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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(19 Paladin \ 1 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 320
Spell Points: 347 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 20
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    22
Dexterity            18                    22
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             16                    20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     6
Bluff                 3                     5
Concentration         1                     2
Diplomacy             3                     5
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                3                     5
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  4                     6
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                  2                     6
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         4                     6
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                     1
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Silver Flame Exorcism
Enhancement: Follower of the Silver Flame
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III
    questions come up as to what paladin clicks work with ranged weapons, zeal and divince sacrifice being the big 2.

    in the event that DS doesn't work with ranged weapons, you could free up 9 AP(6 from DS and 3 from extra smite III) , and i actually question whether DS III > melee enhancements anyway... extra smite II is a pre-req for kotc so might as well put it towards DS II if it works with ranged.

    you obviously drop capstone for bow strength, not that bad of a trade off since the biggie about capstone is all weapons are "good" and the ability to juggle weapon+ammo for breaking DR is a suitable workaround and the +9 (+12 vs evil outsiders) to per-shot damage is comparable to the average damage boost weapons of good gives.

    this could actually be a strong build if they ever get ranged attack to be comparable to melee in terms of DPS. It's a STRONG ranged attacker.
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  5. 02-17-2010, 01:07 PM #5
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    Interesting Build. The quest is though does your Smites count with a ranged weapon? Can anyone Verify this?
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  6. 02-17-2010, 01:18 PM #6
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    I was unable to use Divine Sacrifice with throwing hammers earlier today. It gave the message, "Wrong weapon type" when I tried.

    I didn't try Exalted Smite and don't have access to zeal yet.
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    Considering your most powerful paladin abilities (smite, and divine sacrifice) don't work with ranged... this would be one really disappointing build.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redicular View Post
    this could actually be a strong build if they ever get ranged attack to be comparable to melee in terms of DPS. It's a STRONG ranged attacker.
    Not gonna happen. We've been asking that for years. Closest you are going to see is arcane archerer PrE's
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  8. 02-17-2010, 01:22 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldeneye View Post
    Considering your most powerful paladin abilities (smite, and divine sacrifice) don't work with ranged... this would be one really disappointing build.



    Not gonna happen. We've been asking that for years. Closest you are going to see is arcane archerer PrE's
    ****, so that answers it then. I agree the build would be broken until you can use the Pally's abilities with ranged attacks.
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  9. 02-17-2010, 01:44 PM #9
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    well i said i'd post a hunter of the dead version(hunter extra damage DOES work with ranged) so i will. but this would be an even less effective character than the kotc version.

    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.32
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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(19 Paladin \ 1 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 300
Spell Points: 307 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 20
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    22
Dexterity            18                    22
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             16                    20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     6
Bluff                 3                     5
Concentration         1                     2
Diplomacy             3                     5
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                3                     5
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  4                     6
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                  2                     6
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         4                     6
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                     1
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 4 (Paladin)


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Silver Flame Exorcism
Enhancement: Follower of the Silver Flame
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning III
    no smites, no sacrifice... against non-undead you're reliant on AA abilities by and large. you have a ton of lay on hands... but can't spare the AP to get the bonus lay on hands effects. you do have a metric s**tload of turn undeads to convert to divine might IIIs though, and that DOES work with ranged, so it does have that going for it.

    big knock against it is hunter of the dead requires 3 levels of improved turning, and those are just tossed away AP with the way turning (doesn't)work. throwing away 6 ap on a build concept that's gonna be extremely AP tight no matter what is a sin.

    unless and until we get some end-game content with large amounts of undead, this would be a VERY weak path to take... even worse its a late bloomer due to progression/level requirements for enhancements... you'd be weak early game AND weak late game
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  10. 02-17-2010, 03:34 PM #10
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    For a favored enemy wouldn't you take Undead for that?
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  11. 02-17-2010, 05:24 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razic-Thule View Post
    For a favored enemy wouldn't you take Undead for that?
    possibly, at least to start. but as i mentioned current end-game contains very few undead and an abundance of evil outsiders. a hunter of the dead build by design is already extremely strong vs undead... its the whole point of the PrE. favored enemy: evil outsider while being completely useless at the level its taken balances out the overall build for the game as its played now.

    again, in the event that we start seeing a great deal of high level undead that could change, but you have to build towards current conditions not a hypothetical we've had 0 hints is part of the dev's plan. current conditions are: if you only get one favored enemy, it should be evil outsider.
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    My attempt:


    (And yes it will suck, but...)


    Code:
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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(14 Paladin \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 290
Spell Points: 277 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 21
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   21
Dexterity            17                 19                   19
Constitution         12                 12                   12
Intelligence          8                  8                    8
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             15                 16                   17

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               5                 12                   12
Bluff                 2                  4                    4
Concentration         1                  1                    4
Diplomacy             2                  4                    4
Disable Device       n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                3                  6                    6
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  3                  4                    4
Intimidate            2                  4                    4
Jump                  7                 14                   14
Listen               -1                 -1                    1
Move Silently         3                  4                    4
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                 -1                   -1
Search               -1                 -1                    1
Spot                  3                  5                    7
Swim                  3                  5                    5
Tumble                4                  5                    5
Use Magic Device      4                 15                   15

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Tower Shield Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Angelskin
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Dispel Magic
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (3): Remove Curse


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Spell (4): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Deathward
Spell (4): Holy Sword
Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
Spell (4): Restoration
Spell (4): Stalwart Pact
Spell (4): Zeal
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost III
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost IV
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
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    It's ok but it might be more adviseable to use a favored soal instead as they can get damage boneses with ranged equipment if you are going to become a silver flame favored soal.

    A pally would have some issues as a pure though so if you do I recomend a level of ranger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatHityou View Post
    It's ok but it might be more adviseable to use a favored soal instead as they can get damage boneses with ranged equipment if you are going to become a silver flame favored soal.
    I tried to build one like that for a long, long time, but Favoured Souls don't get enough feats to take all the required bow feats as well as take Toughness and at least Empower Healing, all of which I think would be important. The only way to do it would be to splash some combination of Fighter, Ranger or Monk with the total level of splashes being three... But then you don't have any level 9 spells or your wings, so I just felt like, "what's the point?"
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