Dear Turbine

[Xeriphim]

Dear Turbine ,

It's been four years since the game's gone live . So you have added a ton of updates and lots of content since game launched back in feb of 2006 . So my one burning question . Where is the Druid class ? What forest did you bury the Druids at ? . If it's a coding issue with wild shape that's a cop out that's frankly , unacceptable . Both Everquest and World of warstuff.... have had shape changing druid forms for years .

Lack of druid spells ? Well with ranger spells and cleric spells you already have a good portion of druid spells in game . Turbine you have already added plenty of new spells to the game since launch . So that's not an excuse .

Game balance issues ? You added flavored souls to the game when there wasn't a need for it . but we got them anyway . So please make the next class introduced to ddo the druid class . It's long past due . I'd Like to hear from Turbine why we do not have Druids as a class in the game already .

Now to further add to this , Is there specific reasons confined to the Eberron campaign setting , that we have not seen the gnome , half orc , and half elf races as play able races per the 3.5 rule books in pen an paper ? . Is this due to some Ebberon restrictions that's been previously unrevealed ? . Also this being set in Ebberon , WHY no Kalashtar race ? Why no psionics , apart from what's found on items from Inspired Quarter ? Is the Inspired Quarter the prelude to the inclusion of a psionic class comming ?

Now if there are legitimate reasons for no druids I can accept it . I just would like to hear why turbines put stuff in without considering Druids .

[Stormanne]

Druids are going to be a PrE available for someone who takes ranger class after TR from cleric or vice versa.

[tolana]

druids are long overdue

[EAB]

+REP for sure man! I agree with you completely! On one of my casts, i am going to pull our my 3.5 books and implement the Druid class right then and there. I agree I have always loved the Druid class and D&D had them better then anything else!!!

[Gnorbert]

Now if there are legitimate reasons for no druids I can accept it . I just would like to hear why turbines put stuff in without considering Druids .

This is my favorite part here... where it shows a complete lack of understanding. It's nice of you to be so magnanimous that you'll accept their reasons for not implementing it. You say they don't consider druids? well I say they absolutely consider druids, they probably have someone working on it right now in some capacity.

It's not like the DDO box listed "Druid class coming soon" anywhere on it.

People's overinflated sense of entitlement is truly mesmerizing.

[Baahb3]

Just an opinion here but is it just me or are there others that just don't see the draw of the druid class.

If they impliment them in DDO (and do it right) then all we get is a class that can do a little bit of casting and a little bit of healing, but not very good at either, again just IMO.

They do get access to a good variety of spells but their one main draw is the shapechanging. In PnP this is a huge boon because you can use it to assume so many different creatures to fit your need but in a game you would be severly limited by the game itself.

You would also need to take feats to be able to cast spells in animal form, change shape faster, and with no equipment changing over your ability to overcome DR would be severly limited not to mention all the stats that would change with every shift.

'Any gear worn or carried by the druid melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional. When the druid reverts to her true form, any objects previously melded into the new form reappear in the same location on her body that they previously occupied and are once again functional. Any new items worn in the assumed form fall off and land at the druid's feet.' (Taken from the SRD)



IMO this is the reason that we have not seen it and might not. It would take huge amounts of time to work out all the balanceing needed to get the animal/elemental forms up to snuff, not to mention the need to butcher so many PnP rules to get them into this game.

Yes, many PnP rules are bent, even broken in DDO but they would totally have to bypass so many core concepts of this class to make it work in DDO you could barely call it the Druid class when/if it shows up.

[Xeriphim]

prolly as it was eluded at during beta that monks and druids were on the horizon as added classes that would come after launch ... Neither monks nor favored souls were put on the ddo box listed as comming soon yet we got both those classes .... So what's Druid's lack of being in the game ? That is the question I asked .

So asking a question is an over inflated sense of entitlement ? Paying a monthly sub for a game that advertise's Dungeons an Dragons as an online gaming experiance . Yet it doesn't have all the classes kinda keels like ; I dunno one a those times you collect a pay check and it's only one third of what your owed an you ask the boss what happened ?

Peoples desires to flame an then human nature to retort back is equally amazing and generally just as under whelming . I'll leave it at that .

[Xeriphim]

Just an opinion here but is it just me or are there others that just don't see the draw of the druid class.

If they impliment them in DDO (and do it right) then all we get is a class that can do a little bit of casting and a little bit of healing, but not very good at either, again just IMO.

They do get access to a good variety of spells but their one main draw is the shapechanging. In PnP this is a huge boon because you can use it to assume so many different creatures to fit your need but in a game you would be severly limited by the game itself.

You would also need to take feats to be able to cast spells in animal form, change shape faster, and with no equipment changing over your ability to overcome DR would be severly limited not to mention all the stats that would change with every shift.

'Any gear worn or carried by the druid melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional. When the druid reverts to her true form, any objects previously melded into the new form reappear in the same location on her body that they previously occupied and are once again functional. Any new items worn in the assumed form fall off and land at the druid's feet.' (Taken from the SRD)



IMO this is the reason that we have not seen it and might not. It would take huge amounts of time to work out all the balanceing needed to get the animal/elemental forms up to snuff, not to mention the need to butcher so many PnP rules to get them into this game.

Yes, many PnP rules are bent, even broken in DDO but they would totally have to bypass so many core concepts of this class to make it work in DDO you could barely call it the Druid class when/if it shows up.

Now that makes sense , I can accept that ^.

[Kawiki]

Not really against Druids but do we really need another class that has no PREs? They need to add full PREs to the existing classes before they introduce another class.

[AylinIsAwesome]

I would like to both Druids and even...Warlocks in the game. *Que inevitable Warlock slam.*

But...

Not really against Druids but do we really need another class that has no PREs? They need to add full PREs to the existing classes before they introduce another class.

I really have to agree with that. Turbine should already finish what's in the game now, instead of adding more unfinished stuff in the meantime.

[Gnorbert]

prolly as it was eluded at during beta that monks and druids were on the horizon as added classes that would come after launch ... Neither monks nor favored souls were put on the ddo box listed as comming soon yet we got both those classes .... So what's Druid's lack of being in the game ? That is the question I asked .

So asking a question is an over inflated sense of entitlement ? Paying a monthly sub for a game that advertise's Dungeons an Dragons as an online gaming experiance . Yet it doesn't have all the classes kinda keels like ; I dunno one a those times you collect a pay check and it's only one third of what your owed an you ask the boss what happened ?

Peoples desires to flame an then human nature to retort back is equally amazing and generally just as under whelming . I'll leave it at that .

There it is again... You seem to think that Turbine "owes" you more D&D material. DDO contains but a mere fraction of all the D&D material that's been published. Do you believe they are under some obligation to put ALL of it in the online game?


I'm not against druids, though I am also in the camp of "finish all the PREs first". I'd also prefer to see more playable races, Half-elf and Half-Orc in particular. However, I'm certainly not going to demand that Turbine explain why they haven't put them in yet, and I certainly am not aware of what they have or have not "considered". Not sure how you seem to know absolutely everything they have considered implementing, please share.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I believe the official word is druids will be out by 2007. I think that means update 2007.

[UltraMonk2]

If they impliment them in DDO (and do it right) then all we get is a class that can do a little bit of casting and a little bit of healing, but not very good at either, again just IMO.

According to D&D rules there can only be one Druid of 20th level in a region, X amount of 19's, X amount of 18's etc. A 19th lvl Druid has the right to challenge the 20th lvl Druid for the 20th lvl spot.

So if they implement the Druid class properly, will people be satisfied with this? Most likely not so its better not to have the Druid class at all.

[Sir_Chonas]

If I had to guess, I'd say they're getting closer to druids. Why?

There is a druid in game that passes stuff out.
They have implemented ____form spells (wraith, lich, etc)

Probably won't actually get to turn into a bear, but have a floating bear image like tensner's around you.

That's what I think, but everything in life is 90% conjecture and 75% of statistics are misleading or wrong.

[Missing_Minds]

Now if there are legitimate reasons for no druids I can accept it . I just would like to hear why turbines put stuff in without considering Druids .

One reason they have given out in interviews before. Shape shifting and getting stuck.

To follow that logic is that druids would be the MOST expensive class in the game to make. Why? All of the animations necessary for each "shape" change.

Add in to the fact that it has been stated the their original animator is gone and not to many people know what to do about it anymore due to management decisions on how to handle animations rather than let the game programmers handle the issue.

[Missing_Minds]

Probably won't actually get to turn into a bear, but have a floating bear image like tensner's around you.

Interesting idea. Instead of becoming you adopt some of their abilities. That would definitely keep people from getting stuck and still fit an animal theme.

I wonder if anyone will try to create a character by the name of Bravestar then.

[tolana]

It's not like the DDO box listed "Druid class coming soon" anywhere on it. .

ahh yes it did

[Aashrym]

According to D&D rules there can only be one Druid of 20th level in a region, X amount of 19's, X amount of 18's etc. A 19th lvl Druid has the right to challenge the 20th lvl Druid for the 20th lvl spot.

So if they implement the Druid class properly, will people be satisfied with this? Most likely not so its better not to have the Druid class at all.

DDO is based on 3.5 edition rules. Do you have a page number or direct link for that restriction in 3.5?

[Hokiewa]

Not really against Druids but do we really need another class that has no PREs? They need to add full PREs to the existing classes before they introduce another class.

This....Spot on....

[rezo]

Druid are not needed, we need Shifters, hangelings, Kalashtar races and Artificers for class.