still worth it to keep critical rage?

[captain1z]

Several disagree with me on this, but I say that someday, a weapon will come out that makes crit rage more powerful than FB, while using that weapon only, of course.

If you've held onto it this long, why stop now? Eventually your time will come. Wait for it.

I have critical rage on my barbarian and my thinking is if you want Frenzy just build a new barb.

Its not something you can ever get back so keep it.

I also have the sword of shadows on my crit rage barb..... so I crit on a 13-20 for x3. I plan on crafting an epic version soon.

[Lerincho]

No, it still doesn't make sense. Why would you choose to be subpar now, only for the possibilty that in an unknown future there might come a PrE that maybe will require you to change a feat.

It's not as smart as you think it is.

subpar in your mind, however if Missing feels that the character is adequately producing in groups, Missing is VERY justified in the conclusion to wait.

[BattleCircle]

I play four different barb builds, a CR THF, CR TWF, Tempest barb, and an FB THF.

I am holding out on the CR builds to see what happens, whether a new weapon, or PrE.

Granted, those 380+ crits from FB are nice to see, but then again, so is critting on 15 or better. To me they almost but not quite equal. FB gets huge crits, but CR crits more often... apples and oranges.

I may eventually respec my CR THF, but not until I see what is down the road. The TWF? NO WAY. The tempest is just going to have to wait for a while.

[Strakeln]

Mass hold monster, flesh to stone, stunning blow and or weighted, firewall, DBF, vorpals, dps, etc.. etc. we could go on and on.. There were always tons of alternatives to w/p to kill the mobs quickly and the threat level of mobs has always been for the most part pretty insiginificant.

The fastest way to complete a quest if we are talking about time efficiency is to ignore or not kill anything excpet what has to be killed. Do not kill anything but what you have to kill means basically you only have to kill red names anyway so I fail to really see your point.

My point is that this is reality. You say you run past all the trash, but I've played with you quite a bit, and I've personally watched you spend 90-95% of your playtime killing trash, regardless of whether or not said trash had to be killed. So we can talk with all the BS that people do on the forums, or we can talk in terms of reality.

And reality says, 90-95% of your time will be spent on trash mobs. Neglecting that reality is a fatal mistake in your argument.

[maddmatt70]

My point is that this is reality. You say you run past all the trash, but I've played with you quite a bit, and I've personally watched you spend 90-95% of your playtime killing trash, regardless of whether or not said trash had to be killed. So we can talk with all the BS that people do on the forums, or we can talk in terms of reality.

And reality says, 90-95% of your time will be spent on trash mobs. Neglecting that reality is a fatal mistake in your argument.

I like to kill things sure and I never preferred the whole run to the firewall point gameplay. I had the displeasure of doing a fair amount of that back in mod 4 and it was very boring. Now epic is changing things alot because farming is absolutely about not killing things or at least killing a particular mob group with spellcasters and epic really really promotes farming so I kill alot less of the time these days. Raiding is also strangely enough less about killing things it seems like every raid we kite mobs or only kill mobs in your path to alleviate threat levels. The end game these days is so much not about killing things it is funny.

[LawstCawz]

I play four different barb builds, a CR THF, CR TWF, Tempest barb, and an FB THF.

I am holding out on the CR builds to see what happens, whether a new weapon, or PrE.

Granted, those 380+ crits from FB are nice to see, but then again, so is critting on 15 or better. To me they almost but not quite equal. FB gets huge crits, but CR crits more often... apples and oranges.

I may eventually respec my CR THF, but not until I see what is down the road. The TWF? NO WAY. The tempest is just going to have to wait for a while.

380 for a FB THF? Try 600+ easily with a ga. DPS is DPS, not different kinds of fruit. You can compare the two. Although, I agree on keeping the cr tempest as is since the FB pre is so heavily weighted on tier 3.

[Strakeln]

I like to kill things sure and I never preferred the whole run to the firewall point gameplay. I had the displeasure of doing a fair amount of that back in mod 4 and it was very boring. Now epic is changing things alot because farming is absolutely about not killing things or at least killing a particular mob group with spellcasters and epic really really promotes farming so I kill alot less of the time these days. Raiding is also strangely enough less about killing things it seems like every raid we kite mobs or only kill mobs in your path to alleviate threat levels. The end game these days is so much not about killing things it is funny.

Good points.

An addenda: epic may promote farming, but farming doesn't equal not killing, especially for epic. Just ask those first 7 hobgoblins in VoN 1

[maddmatt70]

Good points.

An addenda: epic may promote farming, but farming doesn't equal not killing, especially for epic. Just ask those first 7 hobgoblins in VoN 1

Tomorrow it will be about bringing your spellcaster in there to do the farming i.e. killing. Those guys will get beefed up certainly..

[Strakeln]

Tomorrow it will be about bringing your spellcaster in there to do the farming i.e. killing. Those guys will get beefed up certainly..

Agreed... thankfully, farming the entire quest with a caster is about as easy as it gets... just takes longer than those 1st 7.

[blitzschlag]

I have critical rage on my barbarian and my thinking is if you want Frenzy just build a new barb.

Its not something you can ever get back so keep it.

I also have the sword of shadows on my crit rage barb..... so I crit on a 13-20 for x3. I plan on crafting an epic version soon.

epic SoS does produce the exact same damage/hit with crit rage II as with fbIII. not counting the vicous damage here. that brings fbIII ahead again.

there really has to be something like superior maiming/superior bursts to bring crit rage up front again in terms of damage done (dps or per hit).

[TechNoFear]

nvm

[BattleCircle]

380 for a FB THF? Try 600+ easily with a ga. DPS is DPS, not different kinds of fruit. You can compare the two. Although, I agree on keeping the cr tempest as is since the FB pre is so heavily weighted on tier 3.

The FB is on Cannith lvl 18 and only burst weapons, the 380+ is against harry with just a +3 holy burst... so not all that bad. No tomes nothing that hasn't dropped for that toon.

My CR on the other hand gets tons of crits, plus the occasional lightning strike, so yeah. Apples and oranges.