Clever (trap)Monkey

[Kriogen]

I know its not a good idea to MC Monk, but Im a Multiclass-o-holic.

I also don't like lock/traps and I must-have UMD. I don't care much about gold sink called Epic.

Here's my idea:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Monk \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 278
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 18
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    22
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom               14                    20
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                     9
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         4                    26
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        6                    26
Haggle               -1                     4
Heal                  2                     5
Hide                  6                     8
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  6                    10
Listen                2                     5
Move Silently         6                     8
Open Lock             6                    16
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    26
Spot                  6                    24
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                6                     8
Use Magic Device      3                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 8 (Monk)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Cold Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Electric Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Fire Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Sonic Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey III
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey IV
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Unbalancing Strike
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Monk Balance I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I
Enhancement: Monk Spot I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

Human is for extra skill point and Human Versality boost. Improved Recovery is also nice. And so is 2x +1 stat enhancement.

Second Rogue level is for skills. Monks don't get enough skills/level to max out rogue-ish skills. Only 4/level and 1 must be used for Conc. But +1 Dex enhancements doesn't hurt.

Clever Monkey path is for bonus vs traps. And elemental resist is handy. With rank 1 Rogues, I can have DR 10 static/stacking resist. Nice.

Will not have perfect "fist" DC, but can spam fist and regular blow.

AC should be OK-ish. I should have solid damage output. It's also one of reasons why I picked Light path, extra cure to compensate for not-perfect AC. High UMD should also help.

Max Wind stance is possible with +3 Dex tome.

Some feats are optional, like SF:UMD or WF:Blunt, but I had no idea what to take. They don't hurt and are not a total waste tho.

Quick Draw is a feature, not a bug.

Comments are wellcome.

[FuzzyDuck81]

I like it - looks like a nice solid build that'll be very capable

[Arvess]

don't take stunning anything. neither will work and you will have just wasted 2 feats. take at least 1 toughness. I'm not talking in epic either. the 1/2 monk level DC of stunning fist makes it less useful as you level...its even worse since your wis mod is going to be low.

What is the quick draw 'feature'??

Otherwise, go for it and tell us how its working out

[Kriogen]

don't take stunning anything. neither will work and you will have just wasted 2 feats. take at least 1 toughness. I'm not talking in epic either. the 1/2 monk level DC of stunning fist makes it less useful as you level...its even worse since your wis mod is going to be low.

Idea was to have both Stunning Blow and Fist and spam them, not perfect DC, but hit 2x times. But will see how it works and respec if it doesn't.

What is the quick draw 'feature'??

Quick Draw feat speeds up the use of some abilities like Human Versality(+5 damage/hit part), Rogues Attack speed boost, etc. It doesn't make things more powerfull, but things happen faster.

Idea is that Monk class has alot to do with speed and speed is vital part of melee damage. Maybe not so much long lasting DPS in my case, but (I hope) solid burst.

[HGM-Chi]

Quick Draw feat speeds up the use of some abilities like Human Versality(+5 damage/hit part), Rogues Attack speed boost, etc. It doesn't make things more powerfull, but things happen faster.

Are you sure about that? I thought Quick Draw only sped up ranged attack rate for thrown weapons and perhaps the swap time of weapons.

[FuzzyDuck81]

stunning fist DC is based off monk level and wis modifier, so will be in 30s at least with no problem, not always gonna work but still will be useful

[Arvess]

Stunning Fist is 10 + 1/2 monk level + WIS mod. At level 18, it will be 10 + 9 + 8 (26 WIS) for 27.
Stunning Blow 10 + STR mod = 19 (20 in Sun stance).

You will spam 2 things with 5% chance of success each. That's technically not bad except that u burned 2 feats for it.

[Kriogen]

...Stunning Blow 10 + STR mod = 19 (20 in Sun stance).
..

Weighted item adds to Stunning Blows DC?

[Arvess]

Quarterstaff yes. Handwraps ...not yet.

[Kriogen]

Are you sure about that? I thought Quick Draw only sped up ranged attack rate for thrown weapons and perhaps the swap time of weapons.

Was long time since I used Quick Draw, so not 100% sure how it's now. But QD had described effect. Worked very well with Multishot and HV damage boost on my old Ranger.

[Kriogen]

Quarterstaff yes. Handwraps ...not yet.

Lazy devs, handwraps still full of bugs. No wonder players think Monk is a weak class

[rezo]

I woild go 3 lvl's in rog. for the sneak attack dice to be 3d6.

[Arvess]

I have great DC on my monks and I never use stunning fist. I prefer to let weighted handwraps proc and spam elemental and stat damage.