I have been playing around in the CharGen tool with a few experimental builds. My aim is a toon with reasonable dmg and survivability, decent with traps/locks and excellent stealth/assassination... tried to balance between the 2 classes (hence the 16 wis + int and high conc/bal... dipl only added for aggro dump)
Thoughts? I'm still getting my head around the mechanics of this game, and I haven't reached endgame yet, so I have no idea what would be needed for endgame raiding
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.32 DDO Character Planner Home Page Solomai Kron'tyrr Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male (7 Monk \ 13 Rogue) Hit Points: 226 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 14\14\19\24 Fortitude: 10 Reflex: 17 Will: 12 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 14 14 14 Dexterity 16 17 18 Constitution 12 12 12 Intelligence 14 16 16 Wisdom 14 16 16 Charisma 10 10 10 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 6 23 24 Bluff 0 0 5 Concentration 5 22 25 Diplomacy 0 12 13 Disable Device n/a 20 23 Haggle 0 0 1 Heal 4 12 13 Hide 7 21 32 Intimidate 0 0 1 Jump 2 2 3 Listen 2 3 6 Move Silently 7 21 32 Open Lock n/a 21 24 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 2 3 4 Search 2 20 26 Spot 6 20 26 Swim 2 2 3 Tumble 4 13 14 Use Magic Device n/a 12 13 Level 1 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+3) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Heal (+2) Skill: Hide (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Club Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Dagger Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Heavy Crossbow Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Light Crossbow Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Quarterstaff Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Unarmed Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike Level 2 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+3) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding Level 3 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Evasion Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Trip Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+3) Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense Level 5 (Monk) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Heal (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Feat: (Automatic) Meditation Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge Level 7 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: WIS Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Hide (+2) Skill: Move Silently (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+2) Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+2) Feat: (Selected) Stealthy Level 10 (Monk) Skill: Concentration (+3) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+2) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 15 (Monk) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Feat: (Selected) Mobility Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+5) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Diplomacy (+7) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost IV Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Elven Perception I Enhancement: Elven Perception II Enhancement: Elven Perception III Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes II Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes III Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Void Strike Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Rogue Hide I Enhancement: Rogue Hide II Enhancement: Rogue Hide III Enhancement: Rogue Hide IV Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently III Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently IV
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02-11-2010, 08:02 PM #1Community Member
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Rogue/Monk assassin build check - critique pls
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02-12-2010, 03:16 AM #2Community Member
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Firstly, if you're taking ANY rogue levels at all, ALWAYS take the 1st level as rogue so you can get a ton of extra skillpoints. Any INT ability raises should be done as early as possible too so as not to waste skillpoints.
In general, most people say that if you want to go assassin, you should go all the way to 3rd tier for your "free" vorpal efect on sneak attacks, though with a good sneak skill the 2nd tier can still be effective, however enemies will save more often.
Finally, I'd recommend taking halfling over elf - as an assassin type build you're going to be heading into melee a lot, and though there'll be a STR reduction you can still get 12 STR and 14 CON for the same point expenditure on creation, and halflings get enhancements that boost sneak attack damage, and they'll have a better to-hit to counter the reduction from power attack, plus a little better AC too. Unless you're specifically worried about will saves, stat raises would probably be better put in DEX rather than WIS too, for the same reason.
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02-12-2010, 04:32 AM #3Community Member
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Take Rogue as 1st level - you currently loos out on many skillpoints for ZERO gain.
Too many Monk levels, your Assassinate DC is based on thr number of Rogue levels - it wont land on your current build. Take 2 Monk levels max, or your assassinate gets too weak to be reliable.
Also the usefullness of monk levels 3-7 is less than what you would get from going more Rogue.Erzskalde (Warchanter) / Erzassassin (just passing through - ignore me) / Erzsoldat (waiting for TR-time) / Erzschmied (ranged Artificer)
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02-12-2010, 05:31 AM #4Community Member
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Depends on whether he'll be using centered weapons or not (ideal would be Kama for an assassin i think rather than fists or stick) - if yes, then 2nd tier wind stance will be a very useful constant attack speed boost, can switch out to water stance when save boosts are needed, the elemental strikes will boost dps, will get some nice buffs (short lived but non dispellable, including the very useful stun immunity, and aligning the heavens which is great for allied casters), the 2nd tier of an animal path can also give some nice benefits (clever monkey for some innate elemental resistance is my personal favourite to reduce the impact of a lot of irritating spells)
Originally Posted by Noctus
If not using centered weapons... then yeah beyond 2nd monk level would be a waste.
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02-12-2010, 10:38 AM #5Community Member
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Thanks for the insights there guys. From other builds I've seen the consensus seems to be 18/2 Rog/Monk, which suggests to me that full hybrid builds are too much compromise for little-to-no gain. Is there much benefit from only 2 lvls of monk though? What would be the ideal char lvls to add these at?
In regards to feats, what changes would you suggest for a reasonable assassin build? I was actually thinking of dual-wield Kama for weaps
I understand the reasoning behind the Halfling rogue idea, however I have a personal preference for Drow, mainly a flavor thing. Is there a better way to build an endgame viable Drow assassin? Should I still look at 12 str and 14 con with this race choice?
I have read that listen is useless, is that correct? Is bluff any good?
My build ideas were mainly based on my 3rd ed PnP experiences, which I understand are not entirely compatible (or viable) in DDO
Again, thanks for your inputLast edited by blacklimoband; 02-12-2010 at 10:44 AM.
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02-12-2010, 07:20 PM #6Community Member
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I'd say take the monk levels at 2nd & maybe 10th, the toughness feat will be very handy early on and power attack will only really be useful when you've got enough attack bonus from level, stats & equipment to counteract the penalty.
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02-12-2010, 07:31 PM #7Community Member
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I was gonna say that assassin 2 is mostly useless in group play and that assassin 3 was the way to go but it seems you are kinda going in that direction at this point anyway.
That having to sneak restriction is a real downer.Ever bleed out in a thornbush? Welcome to UD14.
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The main benefit of a second level of Monk seems to be another "free martial feat" in a rogue/monk build. 1 more to all saves, and the ability to choose one of the "paths" ( Crane/Hound/Tortoise etc )
19 rogue is another die of sneak attack damage and a fourth rogue special ability.Occasionally playing on Cannith
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02-13-2010, 12:32 AM #9Community Member
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I've had another look based on the input from all of you (thanks for the advice too btw).
I will stick with Drow as I'm willing to sacrifice the benefits of Halfling to have my personal favorite flavor.
I am thinking this is a much more solid build, but there is no doubt still room for improvement, and any insights would be most appreciated, bearing in mind my goal of an assassin with reasonable damage/survivability and decent trap/lock skills:
BTW, should I equip monk robes to take advantage of the low lvl monk bonuses and elemental attacks/combos (same reason for dual wield Kama), or would the AC hit be too excessive?
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.32 DDO Character Planner Home Page Solomai Kron'tyrr Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male (2 Monk \ 18 Rogue) Hit Points: 290 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 14\14\19\24 Fortitude: 12 Reflex: 18 Will: 9 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 14 14 14 Dexterity 16 18 18 Constitution 13 16 16 Intelligence 16 16 16 Wisdom 10 10 10 Charisma 10 10 10 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 7 27 28 Bluff 4 23 30 Concentration 1 3 4 Diplomacy 0 1 2 Disable Device 7 26 30 Haggle 0 0 2 Heal 2 6 7 Hide 7 27 38 Intimidate 0 0 1 Jump 2 2 3 Listen 0 0 3 Move Silently 7 27 38 Open Lock 7 27 31 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 3 3 4 Search 7 26 29 Spot 4 23 29 Swim 2 2 3 Tumble 7 27 28 Use Magic Device 4 23 24 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Bluff (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Heal (+2) Skill: Hide (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding Level 2 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike Level 3 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Evasion Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Trip Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Level 7 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Mobility Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge Level 10 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Meditation Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+0.5) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Bluff (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost IV Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I Enhancement: Void Strike Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III Enhancement: Rogue Hide I Enhancement: Rogue Hide II Enhancement: Rogue Hide III Enhancement: Rogue Hide IV Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently III Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently IV Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock II Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock III Enhancement: Rogue Spot I Enhancement: Rogue Spot II
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02-13-2010, 03:43 AM #10Community Member
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Bluff is a worthess ability. Drain Diplomacy instead. Hide and Move Silently are pretty weak too, and I think you'd get more mileage out of Jump and Haggle. Originally Posted by blacklimoband
For your Rogue bonus feats, either Crippling Strike or Improved Evasion first, then the other one, then Slippery Mind. Defensive Roll is useless, and Skill Mastery can be good for boosting UMD (though that's about it). (Some people would say Skill Mastery is better than Slippery Mind though).
If you're going STR-based, your STR is too low (should be in the 16-18 range). For DEX-based it should be in the 18-20 range. You can pull points out of WIS and INT to do this. You want to be able to hit stuff.
For your enhancements, all of these are worthless to you:
Rogue Open Lock 1-3, Rogue Damage Boost 3-4, Rogue Move Silently 3-4, Rogue Hide 3-4, Rogue Spot 1-2, Void Strike, Elven Keen Eyes 1.
Spend your APs on things that will benefit your build, like maxing Subtly Backstabbing and Haste Boost (best damage boost in the game, hands down). You might also want to pick up a level of Wrack Construct to help beat down Portals if you have the AP to spend. But before that you need to use Rapiers, since using Kamas will result in a net loss of DPS even in Wind Stance (when you've been Hasted) and pick up the Drow Rapier enhancements, particularly the damage ones. A level of Rapier Attack isn't bad either.
(Also don't bother to take OTWF; it's worthless too.)
*Disclaimer: I am extremely tired as I write this, so I'm sorry if it sounds rude or anything like that.
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02-13-2010, 05:42 AM #11Community Member
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You can probably safely ditch mobility & spring attack in favour of the improved & greater 2wf feats too, will massively boost your dps from the extra attacks
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First, my most sincere apologies for the wall of text that follows
I really appreciate all of your input on this, I can feel a good solid build is just around the corner
I've seen a couple of comments to this effect. Is stealth broken or is it just not much use? I was mainly boosting these for the fact that my build is primarily focused on sneak attacks. Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome
What are the benefits from maxing haggle/jump? (Haggle I think I get, means more plat in my pocket, not in theirs)
When I swap out Hide/MS for Haggle/Jump and swap Bluff for Dipl it comes out looking a little like this:
Code:Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 7 27 27 Bluff 0 0 6 Concentration 1 3 3 Diplomacy 4 23 23 Disable Device 7 26 29 Haggle 4 23 24 Heal 2 7 7 Hide 3 4 12 Intimidate 0 0 0 Jump 6 24 24 Listen 0 0 2 Move Silently 3 4 12 Open Lock 7 27 27 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 3 3 3 Search 7 26 28 Spot 4 23 25 Swim 2 2 2 Tumble 7 27 27 Use Magic Device 4 23 23DEX. It ends up at 18 by lvl 8. I can't really sacrifice INT because that's giving me a bucket-load of bonus skill points, maybe I could trim a couple from WIS, or buy a tome Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome
Most of these were filler to unlock Ass III. How's this look? Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome
Feats:Code:Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III Enhancement: Rogue Hide I Enhancement: Rogue Hide II Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Code:Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Level 9 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 12 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 15 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 18 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
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02-13-2010, 10:20 PM #13Community Member
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You don't need to be sneaking to get in sneak attacks. The only time you really need to sneak is when you use the Assassinate ability. And to do that you can jump in behind the mob, hit sneak in the air and pop the ability, then tumble out to melee something else. Sneaking in combat is pretty much the worst thing a rogue can do (unless they're about to Assassinate something). Originally Posted by blacklimoband
Haggle is more money, yep. Jump means you can jump higher, so jumping over enemies to get away from them, jumping onto ledges, ect. will all be in ability to do.What are the benefits from maxing haggle/jump? (Haggle I think I get, means more plat in my pocket, not in theirs)
I meant starting out, not end modified. You're on a 3/4 BAB class, so having as high to-hit as possible is always nice, especially if you ever want to try epics. Also more DEX means a better reflex save, so more benefit from Evasion and Improved Evasion. No reason to only put 6 points into your primary stat. You can drop the INT with no real detriment, since you only need 1 point in Tumble to do it. More is just for fluff. You don't need full ranks in Spot either, since a moderate amount wil let you find mobs, and you'll honestly remember where the traps are in the quests you run a few times. You would also be able to pull a few points out of Open Lock since that skill is ridiculously easy to use.DEX. It ends up at 18 by lvl 8. I can't really sacrifice INT because that's giving me a bucket-load of bonus skill points, maybe I could trim a couple from WIS, or buy a tome
I only named the ones that weren't required for Assassin.Most of these were filler to unlock Ass III. How's this look?
The ones that were I didn't mention.
Though the new ones, I'd drop Disable Device 3 (maybe 2), since the only reason I would suggest picking any of those up would be to get Wrack Construct. You also didn't grab Drow or Rogue DEX enhancements, and on a DEX-based build I'd say that's pretty much required to get. If you drop Drow Melee Attack 2 and Disable Device 2 and 3, you'll be able to afford Drow DEX 1 and Rogue DEX 1 and 2. I'd suggest seeing if you can find a way to get Drow DEX 2 as well.
Dodge is (quite literally) a wasted feat unless you're making an AC build. And even then Combat Expertise would be a better choice for you there. Perhaps Skill Focus: UMD would be better for you?Feats:
Hope that helps.
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Aylin is most definitely Awesome
Thanks a million for the tips. I'll have a bit more of a play with the builds tonight and see what I can come up with...
Would dropping WIS to 8 and INT to 14 (so I can bump DEX to 18) be too much of a hit? Being Drow I don't actually need the extra WIS (racial bonus to will saves), and I think I would only lose 1 skill point per lvl (4 at lvl 1)Computer (noun) - An infuriating electronic device that's primary function is to increase stress, reduce productivity and generally annoy the absolute hell out of its operator. There have been occasional instances of computers behaving in the manner that the operator expects, although these occurrences are incredibly rare.
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It shouldn't be. The skill point loss can be made up for by shortchanging Tumble (you'll use a FF item anyway past level 8) and your Will save should be fine (for a Rogue). The racial bonus is only to Will-based enchantments though (Like Command) and won't save you from effects like the sickening effect from Unholy Blight (though your alignment helps you here). Originally Posted by blacklimoband
Aylin is most definitely Awesome Thanks a million for the tips. I'll have a bit more of a play with the builds tonight and see what I can come up with...
Would dropping WIS to 8 and INT to 14 (so I can bump DEX to 18) be too much of a hit? Being Drow I don't actually need the extra WIS (racial bonus to will saves), and I think I would only lose 1 skill point per lvl (4 at lvl 1)
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02-14-2010, 01:11 PM #16Community Member
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I am working on a pretty similar build, here is what I have:
It is an elf and the base stats are not perfect I know, but the character is already level 5 and I am too lazy to reroll now (will do it when I unlock drows)Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.32 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female (1 Monk \ 19 Rogue) Hit Points: 204 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 14\14\19\24 Fortitude: 9 Reflex: 23 Will: 9 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 14 16 Dexterity 18 30 Constitution 10 12 Intelligence 16 18 Wisdom 10 12 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 8 33 Bluff -1 7 Concentration 0 2 Diplomacy -1 23 Disable Device 7 28 Haggle 3 23 Heal 0 2 Hide 8 36 Intimidate -1 1 Jump 6 26 Listen 0 4 Move Silently 8 36 Open Lock 8 33 Perform n/a n/a Repair 3 5 Search 7 30 Spot 4 27 Swim 2 4 Tumble 8 34 Use Magic Device 3 24 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Level 2 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Hide I Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Level 4 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Level 5 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Hide II Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Level 7 (Rogue) Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage II Level 8 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Level 9 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II Level 10 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Level 11 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Level 12 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Level 13 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Level 14 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Level 15 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III Level 17 (Rogue) Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Level 18 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Level 19 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Level 20 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
What do you all think? (I also posted in a separate thread before, but since we are talking assassin/monk here, might has well discuss it here ^^)
I am still wondering if I should try to push Rogue Haste Boost as high as possible instead of taking Subtle Backstabing IV for example hmm
Also, when do you think is best to take the level of monk? Not the 20th level I guess.
Thanks
Laura
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02-14-2010, 09:50 PM #17Community Member
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Here's the full build as it stands atm:
And the enhancements all together:Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.32 DDO Character Planner Home Page Solomai Kron'tyrr Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male (2 Monk \ 18 Rogue) Hit Points: 280 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 14\14\19\24 Fortitude: 12 Reflex: 21 Will: 8 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 14 14 14 Dexterity 18 20 24 Constitution 13 16 16 Intelligence 14 14 14 Wisdom 8 8 8 Charisma 10 10 10 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 8 30 30 Bluff 0 0 6 Concentration 1 3 3 Diplomacy 4 23 23 Disable Device 6 25 26 Haggle 4 23 23 Heal -1 -1 -1 Hide 4 7 15 Intimidate 0 0 0 Jump 6 25 25 Listen -1 -1 1 Move Silently 4 7 15 Open Lock 8 25 25 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 2 2 2 Search 6 25 27 Spot 3 22 24 Swim 2 2 2 Tumble 8 25 25 Use Magic Device 4 23 23 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Diplomacy (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Haggle (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Hide I Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I Level 2 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I Level 3 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Evasion Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Trip Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II Level 7 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Hide II Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+2) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Level 10 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Meditation Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Haggle (+2) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Level 15 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Level 16 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: CON Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Code:Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I Enhancement: Rogue Hide I Enhancement: Rogue Hide II Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
How's it looking?Last edited by blacklimoband; 02-14-2010 at 11:16 PM.
Computer (noun) - An infuriating electronic device that's primary function is to increase stress, reduce productivity and generally annoy the absolute hell out of its operator. There have been occasional instances of computers behaving in the manner that the operator expects, although these occurrences are incredibly rare.
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02-14-2010, 10:22 PM #18Community Member
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I have a monk/rogue. I really like the combo. When I started working on it I couldn't see what I got from 18/2 that I didn't get with 19/1.. lose one bonus monk feat, gain a rogue bonus feat and a die of backstab.
(This is my build, Weesham, the shadow assassin:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=198270)<|| “Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate.” ||>
AEsahaettr | AlfredSartan | Botharel | PeterMurphy | Weesham etc.
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02-17-2010, 01:10 AM #19Community Member
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Almost there with my build (I think).
Just want to check a couple of things... is PA useful for this build (end up with 258 HP instead of 280 if I drop Toughness at lvl 2 to take it, can't really see anywhere else to swap out)
If I eat a +2 to all tome at lvl 7 I get + 1 to all saves and +1 Skill Point every lvl from lvl 8. If I leave feats as is HP ends up 300, if I swap out Toughness for PA at lvl 2 HP ends up 278
Thoughts?
and if I could get some feedback on SP and Enh allocations in last posted build I would really appreciate it
Thanks guysLast edited by blacklimoband; 02-17-2010 at 01:12 AM.
Computer (noun) - An infuriating electronic device that's primary function is to increase stress, reduce productivity and generally annoy the absolute hell out of its operator. There have been occasional instances of computers behaving in the manner that the operator expects, although these occurrences are incredibly rare.
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Ahhh but then you assume he wants to be more rogue based.... I do agree that just one level of rogue is a waste though. Originally Posted by Noctus
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