I have been playing around in the CharGen tool with a few experimental builds. My aim is a toon with reasonable dmg and survivability, decent with traps/locks and excellent stealth/assassination... tried to balance between the 2 classes (hence the 16 wis + int and high conc/bal... dipl only added for aggro dump)
Thoughts? I'm still getting my head around the mechanics of this game, and I haven't reached endgame yet, so I have no idea what would be needed for endgame raiding
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.32 DDO Character Planner Home Page Solomai Kron'tyrr Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male (7 Monk \ 13 Rogue) Hit Points: 226 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 14\14\19\24 Fortitude: 10 Reflex: 17 Will: 12 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Strength 14 14 14 Dexterity 16 17 18 Constitution 12 12 12 Intelligence 14 16 16 Wisdom 14 16 16 Charisma 10 10 10 Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20) Balance 6 23 24 Bluff 0 0 5 Concentration 5 22 25 Diplomacy 0 12 13 Disable Device n/a 20 23 Haggle 0 0 1 Heal 4 12 13 Hide 7 21 32 Intimidate 0 0 1 Jump 2 2 3 Listen 2 3 6 Move Silently 7 21 32 Open Lock n/a 21 24 Perform n/a n/a n/a Repair 2 3 4 Search 2 20 26 Spot 6 20 26 Swim 2 2 3 Tumble 4 13 14 Use Magic Device n/a 12 13 Level 1 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+3) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Heal (+2) Skill: Hide (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Club Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Dagger Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Heavy Crossbow 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Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+3) Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense Level 5 (Monk) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Heal (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Feat: (Automatic) Meditation Level 6 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge Level 7 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind Level 8 (Rogue) Ability Raise: WIS Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Hide (+2) Skill: Move Silently (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+2) Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+2) Feat: (Selected) Stealthy Level 10 (Monk) Skill: Concentration (+3) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: WIS Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body Level 13 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge Level 14 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+2) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 15 (Monk) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Feat: (Selected) Mobility Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: INT Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body Level 17 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Spot (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery Level 18 (Rogue) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack Level 19 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Diplomacy (+5) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Diplomacy (+7) Skill: Heal (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost IV Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Elven Perception I Enhancement: Elven Perception II Enhancement: Elven Perception III Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes II Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes III Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Void Strike Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV Enhancement: Rogue Hide I Enhancement: Rogue Hide II Enhancement: Rogue Hide III Enhancement: Rogue Hide IV Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently III Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently IV
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02-11-2010, 08:02 PM #1Community Member
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Rogue/Monk assassin build check - critique pls
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02-12-2010, 03:16 AM #2Community Member
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Firstly, if you're taking ANY rogue levels at all, ALWAYS take the 1st level as rogue so you can get a ton of extra skillpoints. Any INT ability raises should be done as early as possible too so as not to waste skillpoints.
In general, most people say that if you want to go assassin, you should go all the way to 3rd tier for your "free" vorpal efect on sneak attacks, though with a good sneak skill the 2nd tier can still be effective, however enemies will save more often.
Finally, I'd recommend taking halfling over elf - as an assassin type build you're going to be heading into melee a lot, and though there'll be a STR reduction you can still get 12 STR and 14 CON for the same point expenditure on creation, and halflings get enhancements that boost sneak attack damage, and they'll have a better to-hit to counter the reduction from power attack, plus a little better AC too. Unless you're specifically worried about will saves, stat raises would probably be better put in DEX rather than WIS too, for the same reason.
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02-12-2010, 04:32 AM #3Community Member
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Take Rogue as 1st level - you currently loos out on many skillpoints for ZERO gain.
Too many Monk levels, your Assassinate DC is based on thr number of Rogue levels - it wont land on your current build. Take 2 Monk levels max, or your assassinate gets too weak to be reliable.
Also the usefullness of monk levels 3-7 is less than what you would get from going more Rogue.Erzskalde (Warchanter) / Erzassassin (just passing through - ignore me) / Erzsoldat (waiting for TR-time) / Erzschmied (ranged Artificer)
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02-12-2010, 05:31 AM #4Community Member
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Depends on whether he'll be using centered weapons or not (ideal would be Kama for an assassin i think rather than fists or stick) - if yes, then 2nd tier wind stance will be a very useful constant attack speed boost, can switch out to water stance when save boosts are needed, the elemental strikes will boost dps, will get some nice buffs (short lived but non dispellable, including the very useful stun immunity, and aligning the heavens which is great for allied casters), the 2nd tier of an animal path can also give some nice benefits (clever monkey for some innate elemental resistance is my personal favourite to reduce the impact of a lot of irritating spells)
Originally Posted by Noctus
If not using centered weapons... then yeah beyond 2nd monk level would be a waste.
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02-12-2010, 10:38 AM #5Community Member
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Thanks for the insights there guys. From other builds I've seen the consensus seems to be 18/2 Rog/Monk, which suggests to me that full hybrid builds are too much compromise for little-to-no gain. Is there much benefit from only 2 lvls of monk though? What would be the ideal char lvls to add these at?
In regards to feats, what changes would you suggest for a reasonable assassin build? I was actually thinking of dual-wield Kama for weaps
I understand the reasoning behind the Halfling rogue idea, however I have a personal preference for Drow, mainly a flavor thing. Is there a better way to build an endgame viable Drow assassin? Should I still look at 12 str and 14 con with this race choice?
I have read that listen is useless, is that correct? Is bluff any good?
My build ideas were mainly based on my 3rd ed PnP experiences, which I understand are not entirely compatible (or viable) in DDO
Again, thanks for your inputLast edited by blacklimoband; 02-12-2010 at 10:44 AM.
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02-12-2010, 07:20 PM #6Community Member
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I'd say take the monk levels at 2nd & maybe 10th, the toughness feat will be very handy early on and power attack will only really be useful when you've got enough attack bonus from level, stats & equipment to counteract the penalty.
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01-11-2018, 10:30 AM #7Community Member
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Ahhh but then you assume he wants to be more rogue based.... I do agree that just one level of rogue is a waste though. Originally Posted by Noctus
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