What is the point of rogue?

[Arkat]

I dont play a rogue, never built a rogue....but I used to work in the tavern in Harbor...SO I KNOW ROGUES. Be aware, Mhykke sits on a throne of lies

Somewhere, Atenhotep's ears are burning...

[Quietstorm]

Somewhere, Atenhotep's ears are burning...

Either that or his brain melted.

[Rameses]

Either that or his brain melted.

hear here!

I am, Rameses!

[duncangolden]

The point of a rogue is to do whatever needs to be done to get the job done. No messy principles, or codes of combat (nothing says I have to kill the monsters, just be responsible for their deaths). Also, have you ever noticed that rogues are always the ones expected to go where others fear to tread? (Using traps to kill monsters works well on elite, often faster than you can do yourself. Just don't get caught rolling a "1", while standing in one when it goes off, heh)
Oh, and by the way, if you find yourself PUGing Inferno of the damned, and you have a halfway decent UMD, you might want to pick up some aoe cold spell scrolls, fire is not usually a problem, but every now and then you run into a sorc without any aoe cold, and you need it somewhere in that quest)
Also, you really cannot find a better rogue guide than Sable's Notes From a Dancing Rogue (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=124401)

[Rameses]

Also, you really cannot find a better rogue guide than Sable's Notes From a Dancing Rogue (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=124401)

Added note, you cannot find a better rogue than Sable's character Brenna Wavekin.

I am, Rameses!

[transtemporal]

in an epic von 5 who would you rather have in your party? the rogue who cares about 100 % of the traps, or one who does 30% more damage than the first one?.. if it even is 30.

The second one. If we get a rogue who can do the epic traps, we have to listen to him lecture us for 30 minutes about why ubah trap rogues are so great and aren't you glad you didn't bring a dps rogue and blah blah blah. I'd rather just die and rez through it.

[SquelchHU]

*in guild chat* Wow, that gimp can actually get the traps.

I don't think anything more needs to be said on pure trap rogues. Now assassins, those are awesome.

[DarkFlash]

Even a gimped acrobat can find all the traps if he has good gears.

[Uhtred_Stark]

A couple things you can do right off the jump to make your rogue play easier. First, do you have toughness? Then the racial toughness enhancements? Getting rid of your squishiness is the first thing that can help you feel more productive. Second, get the Minos helm from the Orchard. You can get this as soon as you hit L10. This is going to give you 20 more HPs and 100% fortification. You won't do much as a rogue in the Orchard but you should easily be able to tag along with a group. Arcane's have an easy time soloing this and usually won't mind if you just tag along. You now have HPs. Make sure you get your 10 HPs when you get Arg favor as well once you do GH quests.

Make sure you take subtile backstabbing.

Assassin enhancements are expensive - but you should still have the enhancements to be able to get other things. Don't force assassin I too early. As long as you can get assassin II by L15 or 16 you are in good shape. Always wear a good search item. These are easy to find. Search is more important than spot. Spidey senses are cool, but usually someone in the party will know where the traps are and it's more important for you to search it. Always bring +5 tools, you will get tons of these. Pick up a +10 or more disable and open lock item. Again, these are really common and you can get them on the auction cheap. You should be able to keep all your rogue skills maxed with a solid intelligence. No reason not to take a good int - you get the skills and your INT is the base factor for assassinate.

Why play a rogue you ask? One of the more fun classes to play in my opinion. You will save a party wipe from time to time and everyone will love you. You're going to lead your party in kills more times than not. You can self heal with your UMD skill (always max UMD, but you already know that). It's fun to get traps and walk through them without being hit. You're going to feel a great sense of pride when you get through the water in Crucible. They can't do VoN without you. A good rogue will make a party much better.

This isn't even mentioning some of the raid grear and greensteel listed in this thread. Once you get those, you'll be a god. But you certainly don't need them as you level to be effective and have a lot of fun.

[Laretes]

Consider foregoing 'spot' if you are short on skill points. You will learn where traps are or people will point them out to you. You could put surplus points in other skills, say haggle to make more money or whatever you fancy.
A few points in spot will help you to see camouflaged mobs, but apart from that it is not a terribly useful skill.

[ChromeIce01]

65?
Childs play.

82( search )-91( OL )???
Yeah, not so much.

Let's see this uber leet killer build with awesome DPS who can get VoN 5 epic.

http://my.ddo.com/character/thelanis/fargus/

lol

[bandyman1]

http://my.ddo.com/character/thelanis/fargus/

lol

/snickers

[lurkertroll]

ohh, i hate it the ones who run up and point at the box "it's here." i just want to strangle them.
A. im already serching (that means it doesn;t mean a thing if you know its ther without the ui for the trap nothing gonna happen till it shows up)
B. if you know then you get it
C. yea i've done this quest 20 times as well my life doesn't revolve around your xp potion and house buffs and loot gem.
D. omg how can you remember ever trap till this one that just killed you.
E. yes i knew i just felt like greasing him as he ran through to remind him to stay behind when i say trap untill i give the clear.
F. yes, you are correct the trap box is on the other side glad half of you made it with me.
G. did you serisoly just diable a trap i couldn't even find ***ace.
H. hey look if you run it through the trap it dies, oh nm your on the other side soloing them and draining the cleric sp.
I. ptt it's normal you get like 5 damage from it and now you wont run through it. forhead meat palm
J. yes I turned on subtle sneek attack did you ae subtle spelcasting
k. you relize i do 1d8+2d6+4d6+9 each hit if you stand stil and 0(zero) if you run like a chicken with its head cut off.

no matter what clas people compain, i once had a flaming burst greatsword i used on my ranger till i got beter twf weapons besides +1 and one in three groups were meh wtace a 2hf ranger. then they pluged (old term for going permanant link dead) sure let me use the +1 rapier and ss on these zombies instead to make you happy.

as a fighter, hey you were is your shield. me wah im a fighter i use two swords. no your a tank. meh then i go and vorpal that and smite that and banish this and disrupt him and the guys like all running ahead trying to finger stuff befor i get there. or charms what im fighting.

and then again i have also been kicked for not useing wall of fire on blackbones so.,,

[SquelchHU]

Wall of text.

...Crits SquelchHU for 9,001 damage.

Good thing I had that Divine Intervention eh?

[Chai]

While I agree that assassins are awesome, why would you put 8 int on ANY rogue in the first place? The int factors into the assassination attempt dc as well as traps.

60-65 sounds about right for total mod. on trap skills.

I find it entertaining when I play my full rogue and the str based players who have a few rogue levels try to step in front of me and do the traps like they got something to prove. They usually either die from a failed save when the box is on the other side of the trap, or blow the trap at some point, and then the party has to find a way around / through it.

[Angelus_dead]

While I agree that assassins are awesome, why would you put 8 int on ANY rogue in the first place? The int factors into the assassination attempt dc as well as traps.

You would pick 8 intelligence so you can put those points into abilities that are useful.

Assassinate DC is not really useful, and trap skills are also unimportant unles you're trying to reach silly epic levels that you probably can't do anyhow.

[Chai]

You would pick 8 intelligence so you can put those points into abilities that are useful.

Assassinate DC is not really useful, and trap skills are also unimportant unles you're trying to reach silly epic levels that you probably can't do anyhow.

Now THATS a gimped rogue.

All I had to do was play one cleric to see that 80% of pure rogues dont know how to play the class and live. Its all damage damage damage damage - see I can pull aggro off everyone but the caster....CRUNCH, DING,... x_X

Any skill in the game can be rocked into the 80s - not that its needed but it can be done - 60s for a damage rogue is acceptable.

[PopeDX]

To color the cheeks and emphasize the cheekbones.

Oh, wait, it was spelled right?

[Jonny_D]

Now THATS a gimped rogue.

All I had to do was play one cleric to see that 80% of pure rogues dont know how to play the class and live. Its all damage damage damage damage - see I can pull aggro off everyone but the caster....CRUNCH, DING,... x_X

Any skill in the game can be rocked into the 80s - not that its needed but it can be done - 60s for a damage rogue is acceptable.

lol a properly played rogue never pulls to much agro, just like a caster when played properly doesnt pull too much agro, and a well played rogue can pull agro from a caster when they want and not die. One of the places to ut the points not used in int is con

[kaelis]

lol a properly played rogue never pulls to much agro, just like a caster when played properly doesnt pull too much agro, and a well played rogue can pull agro from a caster when they want and not die. One of the places to ut the points not used in int is con

All your agro's are belong to me. If the mob isn't hitting me it better be dead.