Request: Ranger/rogue build for Epic VoN traps

[KKDragonLord]

Can anyone do a decent rogue splashed ranger, or ranger splashed rogue capable of achieving 85 Search, 91 open lock and 70s Save versus traps?

Don't worry about buffs and resources, go all out, +4 tomes, Epic equips, triple TRs, a third splash, bard buffs, pots, greensteel, monk buffs, even litany of the dead... Use anything, the important thing is to find the best balance between overall DPS and Extreme trapmonkery

I have a feeling that Dwarves with the Mark of warding are the best race for the job, but i never got far with rogues or rangers to know all the ins and outs.

[Gol]

Intel: 14 + 4 tome + 6 item + 3 exceptional + 1 litany + 2 yugo potion + 2 store potion + 3 house d potion = 35
Dex: 16 + 4 tome + 5 enhancements + 7 epic item + 3 exceptional + 1 litany + 2 yugo potion + 2 store potion + 3 house d potion = 43
Cha 14 + 4 tome + 1 enh + 7 epic item + 3 exceptional + 1 litany + 2 yugo pot + 2 store potion + 3 house d potion = 37

Required Levels:
Rogue 12 / Ranger 6 / Paladin 2

Search
Ranks: 23
Elf Racial Bonus: +2
Elf Racial Enh: +4
Ranger/Rogue Class Enh: +4
Skill Focus: +3
Search Item: +15
Greensteel: +6
Intel bonus: +12
UMD Find Traps Scroll: +1
Luck: +2
GH: +4
Bard Song: +2
Ranger/Rogue Skill Boost: +5
Past Life: Sneak of Shadows: +1
House D Skill Potion: +3
Mechanic: +2
= 89

Open Lock
Ranks: 23
Open Lock Item: +15
Dex bonus: +16
Greensteel: +6
Skill Focus: +3
Nimble Fingers: +2
Rogue Enh: +2
Ranger/Rogue Skill Boost: +5
+5 Tools: +7
Luck: +2
GH: +4
Bard Song: +2
Past Life: Sneak of Shadows: +1
House D Skill Potion: +3
Mechanic: +2
= 93

Saves vs Traps
You're looking at Ranger/Rogue, maybe monk splash, but they all have good reflex saves. Note, you need at least 4 Rog levels, though. I'm going with my above recommendation though.

12 Rogue: 8
6 Ranger: 5
2 Paladin: 0
Dexterity: 16
GH: 4
Luck: +2
Bard Song: +4
Resistance item: +5
Improved Uncanny Dodge: +6
Trap Sense: +3
Improved Trap Sense IV: +8
Clever Monkey 1: +1
Wind Stance (+2 Dex): +1
Halfling Hero's Companion: +2
Paladin Aura: +5
Divine Grace: 13
= 83

Summary:
Elf, Rogue 12 / Ranger 6 / Paladin 2. Paladin 2 for the reflex saves is just really hard to give up. And with Int/Dex/Cha being the 3 important stats, it'd be worth considering Drow as well. I've gone over your targets so you can choose where to prune and modify.

[Anthios888]

Any good ranger with a rogue level should have the UMD to throw raise deads or even resurrection scrolls to help the party get through that trap.

[Junts]

Wow, you made a better Dresek.

[Goldeneye]

It is silly to make a build that is useful .1% of the game, and sub-par the other 99.9%.
A handful of people are Greater Re-incarnating their shelved rogues into Von5 trap monkies.... so I wouldn't level up a rogue for that purpose.

[krud]

This is right up my alley; squeezing the most out of mediocre builds . Here's a rough draft, with only +2 tomes. I haven't gone thru the save calculations. It might be tough getting to 70. He should have enough skill points to keep search. dd, and ol maxxed. With gear he should hit the search, dd, and ol targets. All that and still decent damage potential.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.14
DDO Character Planner Home Page
DrowSimian 
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(7 Paladin \ 2 Rogue \ 11 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 292
Spell Points: 140 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 24
Will: 11
               Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            16                    22
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    16
Tomes Used
 
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
 
               Starting          Feat/Enhancement
              Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Disable Device        6                    26
Open Lock             7                    29
Search                6                    38
Use Magic Device      5                    26
 
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
 
Level 2 (Ranger)
 
Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
 
Level 4 (Ranger)
 
Level 5 (Ranger)
 
Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
 
Level 7 (Ranger)
 
Level 8 (Paladin)
 
Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
 
Level 10 (Paladin)
 
Level 11 (Paladin)
 
Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
 
Level 13 (Paladin)
 
Level 14 (Paladin)
 
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
 
Level 16 (Ranger)
 
Level 17 (Ranger)
 
Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Search
 
Level 19 (Ranger)
 
Level 20 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Elven Perception II
Enhancement: Elven Perception III
Enhancement: Elven Perception IV
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Ranger Search II
Enhancement: Ranger Search III
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I

[KKDragonLord]

There was a Warforged 7wiz/6ranger/6rogue build somewhere wasn't it? I wonder what numbers that build could reach, because it was very consistent and flexible.
But maybe it wouldn't get close without dwarven benefits

[Junts]

There was a Warforged 7wiz/6ranger/6rogue build somewhere wasn't it? I wonder what numbers that build could reach, because it was very consistent and flexible.
But maybe it wouldn't get close without dwarven benefits

I suspect that a level 19 is going to have a pretty bad time with that trap regardless of its disable device dc.

[KKDragonLord]

I suspect that a level 19 is going to have a pretty bad time with that trap regardless of its disable device dc.

Oh yeah, another level of rogue would add one more Sneak attack die, not bad at all.

[krud]

Version 2 FTW!!! (with room to spare)

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.14
DDO Character Planner Home Page
 
DrowSimian v2 
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(2 Paladin \ 7 Rogue \ 11 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 100 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 21
Will: 8
 Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            16                    22
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    15
 
Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 8
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 8
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 8
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 8
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 8
 
Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Disable Device        6                    26
Open Lock             7                    34
Search                6                    38
Use Magic Device      5                    30
 
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Search
 
 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost IV
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Perception III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Ranger Search III
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense III

With 1 rog TR to get cha14.

using Gol's calculations:
Str 16 + 5 levels + 4 tome + 6 item + 3 exceptional + 2 yugo potion + 2 store potion + 3 house d potion = 41
Intel: 14 + 4 tome + 6 item + 3 exceptional + 2 yugo potion + 2 store potion + 3 house d potion = 34
Dex: 16 + 4 tome + 4 enhancements + 6 item + 3 exceptional + 2 yugo potion + 2 store potion + 3 house d potion = 40
Cha 14 + 4 tome + 1 enh + 7 epic item + 3 exceptional + 2 yugo pot + 2 store potion + 3 house d potion = 36

Search
Ranks: 23
Elf Racial Bonus: +2
Elf Racial Enh: +3
Ranger/Rogue Class Enh: +3
Skill Focus: +3
Search Item: +15
Greensteel: +6
Intel bonus: +12
UMD Find Traps Scroll: +1
Luck: +2
GH: +4
Bard Song: +2
Ranger/Rogue Skill Boost: +5
House D Skill Potion: +3
= 84 (dc 82 )

Disable
Ranks: 23
Search Item: +15
Vent Bracers: +3
Greensteel: +6
+5 tools: +7
Intel bonus: +12
Rog DD enh: +2
Luck: +2
GH: +4
Bard Song: +2
Ranger/Rogue Skill Boost: +5
House D Skill Potion: +3
= 84 +d20 (dc>93, close )

Open Lock
Ranks: 23
Open Lock Item: +15
Dex bonus: +15
Greensteel: +6
Ranger/Rogue Skill Boost: +5
+5 Tools: +7
Luck: +2
GH: +4
Bard Song: +2
House D Skill Potion: +3
Haste: +1
= 83 +d20 (dc 90 )

Saves vs Traps
7 Rogue: 5
11 Ranger: 7
2 Paladin: 0
Dexterity: 15
GH: 4
Luck: +2
Bard Song: +4
Resistance item: +6 (w/ +1 ritual)
Trap sense feat: +2
Improved Trap Sense III: +6
Halfling Hero's Companion: +2
Paladin Aura: +1
Divine Grace: +13
Haste: +1
Uncanny dodge: +4
Past life, rogue: +2
= 74 (dc 70 )

[krud]

New version posted directly above. BINGO!

[PowerOfRaistlin]

HOLY KRUD! i <3 the way you are showing how redonculous the dc is. unless they are planning on giving us some serious trap item loving or whatnot, then jeeeze

btw you could always sac ic pierce for investigator (+2 search/gather info), assuming ddo has it, i haven't particuarly looked but it's possible? can anyone confirm/deny this?

[voodoogroves]

Hey Krud

In your notes you say "with one Rogue PL to get 14 CHA" ... If that's the assumption, swap Skill Focus: Search for Sneak of Shadows; drops the search DC to 82 (which you have listed as the target :-D ) plus you get the boost to the other skills by 1, and the move/hide or damage boost.

That gets your disable one closer as well.

Also, you didn't include ship buffs; that's +1 from stat increases in most. Should put disable at 86; not quite a guaranteed non-blow.