Zawabi's Revenge Question

[antivenom]

So - i play mainly in a 4-man static team. FvS, Wizard, Monk, Paladin with rogue splash. We're all in the 11-13 range at the moment. Due to some nice drops we've had, we're moderatly well equipped for people who've only been playing 3 months (Couple of +2 tomes each, +5 and 6 stat items, some named loot, Fvs and Pally have metalline of pure good weapons). Also, we all know what we're doing (at least we think we do...)

Generally, we do quests at the level they're labelled as, then do them again on hard once we've normalled them. We rarely have any issues finishing quests, if we do fail once we always get them the 2nd time after we've had a think. The only quest we've come across at the moment we can't do easily on hard is Invaders!

Last week, we went to Tempest Spine. Mainly the plan was to have a look around so we'd be ready for joining a raid sometime, but we managed to complete the raid by ourselves (took a little while, but we only had 1 death, and that was a silly one to a bunch of trash mobs).

Now i understand Tempest Spine is the easiest raid to do, and that we were above level for it (all 11 or 12 at the time of running it). I've also heard that Zawabi's Revenge is supposed to be quite hard.

My question is this - is it conceivable for a 4-man group to be able to do this raid? We'll only be going in on normal, and we'll all be in the 12-14 range at the time. Gear wise we should have the bases covered (except the monk, finding transmuting handwraps of good is like winning the lottery). Or are we just not going to be able to do certain parts due to lack of manpower? (without giving me spoilers, we like to go into stuff relativly clueless, it's more fun that way)

[HeavenlyCloud]

It's doable. If your static group like challenges and don't mind slowly learning the raid (wipes included) you will have a blast.

[Krag]

You would have enough manpower if you come prepared.
However I can't guarantee that your first attempt will be successful.


P.S. It's difficult to not give any spoilers.

[antivenom]

Thanks for the quick answers so far.

We've got no problems going in blind, getting utterly annihilated, and working out we need certain buffs/weapons/tactics, and then going in again. Some of the best runs we've had were ones that took a while and had some wipes in, you get a better sense of achievement that way. Our first run on The Pit when we were pretty much clueless at level with poor gear and our first badly made characters (couple of us re-rolled soon after to fix some issues) took 3 hours plus and had a total death toll in the 20's - but was fun!

It's just we dont want to waste three hours in there to get to a point where you physically need more than 4 people - pulling 6 levers or splitting into multiple teams or something like that.

[toughguyjoe]

Thanks for the quick answers so far.

We've got no problems going in blind, getting utterly annihilated, and working out we need certain buffs/weapons/tactics, and then going in again. Some of the best runs we've had were ones that took a while and had some wipes in, you get a better sense of achievement that way. Our first run on The Pit when we were pretty much clueless at level with poor gear and our first badly made characters (couple of us re-rolled soon after to fix some issues) took 3 hours plus and had a total death toll in the 20's - but was fun!

It's just we dont want to waste three hours in there to get to a point where you physically need more than 4 people - pulling 6 levers or splitting into multiple teams or something like that.

The Demon Queen content both Pre Raid and Raid can all be doen with four players.

I would suggest your first run try to be a "Learn all we can and hit it next time" run.

Sometimes raids can be tricksy little hobbitses.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Nothing like that, completely doable by 4 people so no worries and go learn the raid!

[Rusty_Can]

Have fun! And, oh, give the lass a big hug from me, will you? *grins*

[antivenom]

That's exactly what i wanted to hear. Thanks all.

No doubt, I'll be back in a few weeks moaning about how we all died horribly.

[Kaeldur]

Can be done if you take your time. I don't want to spoil anything, I'll just say that equipment wise you seem to be covered... All the content up to DQ1 (pre-raid) shouldn't be too hard. As to the raid itself I don't know, it's a bit tough for only 4 characters.

I don't want to talk anymore cause I fear I may spoil something (I have already erased a few bits of info when I re-read just because I wasn't sure if it was too much info hehe).

To your main question: yes it is technically doable with only 4 people (in the sense that you won't need more arms to pull levers or split up).

[antivenom]

We've done the 3 lead-up quests already (Chains of Flame, An Offering of Blood and the Chamber of Raiyum), all but Chains of Flame have been done on hard (and we'll be doing that on hard next play session most likely).

Gear wise we're all good, 2 pairs of Spectral Gloves and a set of Firestorm Greaves for sale gets you quite a bit of upgrade money It's the Monk i'm most concerned about, he's F2P so no devout handwraps, and Cannith has a remarkable lack of decent monk weapons (ie transmuters of good or greater banes).

[Kaeldur]

We've done the 3 lead-up quests already (Chains of Flame, An Offering of Blood and the Chamber of Raiyum), all but Chains of Flame have been done on hard (and we'll be doing that on hard next play session most likely).

Gear wise we're all good, 2 pairs of Spectral Gloves and a set of Firestorm Greaves for sale gets you quite a bit of upgrade money It's the Monk i'm most concerned about, he's F2P so no devout handwraps, and Cannith has a remarkable lack of decent monk weapons (ie transmuters of good or greater banes).

Wow. I'd say you guys are either pretty lucky or have ran the quests many and many times. When I meant items I was actually being a bit more specific, you'll probably discover later on (after you do the quest if you still don't know what I mean say so and I'll tell you).
I just don't understand how the monk is gonna do the raid with you guys if he's F2P...

[antivenom]

Ah - my bad - he's not VIP, but he's brought the Desert pack - we all have.

And we're lucky, really lucky. Only done 2 runs of Offering of blood, 3 sets of spectral gloves looted. 2 runs of Dreams of Insanity, 2 sets of Remlin's step. Myself (FvS) and the Paladin have both looted Bloodstones with only 1 ransack between us (both bloodstones being used). We've had 2 Planar Gird's from about 8 runs total of Xorian, along with a couple of Reavers rings.

I reckon we've used all our luck up, and we'll never get anything nice again

[Phidius]

...It's just we dont want to waste three hours in there...

Not going to be a problem.

... to get to a point where you physically need more than 4 people - pulling 6 levers or splitting into multiple teams or something like that.

Neither will this.

[Quikster]

So - i play mainly in a 4-man static team. FvS, Wizard, Monk, Paladin with rogue splash. We're all in the 11-13 range at the moment. Due to some nice drops we've had, we're moderatly well equipped for people who've only been playing 3 months (Couple of +2 tomes each, +5 and 6 stat items, some named loot, Fvs and Pally have metalline of pure good weapons). Also, we all know what we're doing (at least we think we do...)

Generally, we do quests at the level they're labelled as, then do them again on hard once we've normalled them. We rarely have any issues finishing quests, if we do fail once we always get them the 2nd time after we've had a think. The only quest we've come across at the moment we can't do easily on hard is Invaders!

Last week, we went to Tempest Spine. Mainly the plan was to have a look around so we'd be ready for joining a raid sometime, but we managed to complete the raid by ourselves (took a little while, but we only had 1 death, and that was a silly one to a bunch of trash mobs).

Now i understand Tempest Spine is the easiest raid to do, and that we were above level for it (all 11 or 12 at the time of running it). I've also heard that Zawabi's Revenge is supposed to be quite hard.

My question is this - is it conceivable for a 4-man group to be able to do this raid? We'll only be going in on normal, and we'll all be in the 12-14 range at the time. Gear wise we should have the bases covered (except the monk, finding transmuting handwraps of good is like winning the lottery). Or are we just not going to be able to do certain parts due to lack of manpower? (without giving me spoilers, we like to go into stuff relativly clueless, it's more fun that way)

As a longtime player who has been involved figuring out new content, spending lots of resources, finally succeeding, and working with others to nail down quality tactics to reduce resources usage, this is the kind of stuff I like to see from new players. Not that mindless dribble about how the game is to hard, or the shroud is to hard now, this needs a nerf, that needs a nerf, blah blah blah.

I hope once you finish much of the content you come back here to be a contributer to these forums, we need more posters like you here.

+1 rep to the new "vet"!!!

[antivenom]

Thanks for the kind words Quik (and the rep!)

I also don't like the mentality of some of the player base - if something isn't a challenge to me, i don't feel like i've earned the rewards. If something is too hard to do, then adapt your playstyle / tactics / group / gear until you can do it, dont whine for it to be made easier.

Doubt we'll do the raid this coming weekend (our scheduled playing days are sunday and tuesday - which is valentines day and pancake day, so doubt we'll get much done) but i'll be sure to post how well it goes when we do get round to it.

[Kaeldur]

As a longtime player who has been involved figuring out new content, spending lots of resources, finally succeeding, and working with others to nail down quality tactics to reduce resources usage, this is the kind of stuff I like to see from new players. Not that mindless dribble about how the game is to hard, or the shroud is to hard now, this needs a nerf, that needs a nerf, blah blah blah.

I hope once you finish much of the content you come back here to be a contributer to these forums, we need more posters like you here.

+1 rep to the new "vet"!!!

Gotta agree on that. I gotta admire antivenom and his group. =)

[phalaeo]

Ah - my bad - he's not VIP, but he's brought the Desert pack - we all have.

And we're lucky, really lucky. Only done 2 runs of Offering of blood, 3 sets of spectral gloves looted. 2 runs of Dreams of Insanity, 2 sets of Remlin's step. Myself (FvS) and the Paladin have both looted Bloodstones with only 1 ransack between us (both bloodstones being used). We've had 2 Planar Gird's from about 8 runs total of Xorian, along with a couple of Reavers rings.

I reckon we've used all our luck up, and we'll never get anything nice again

With that kind of luck....

I find ADQ2 to be kind of a b***h to run, but that's just me. I've 11 manned it on normal and seen fails, and I've 5 manned it on Elite and won.

Please do come back in and let us know how you did- I'm interested in hearing your response.