Acrobat of the Chalice

[lyeman]

These builds should be Str based, obviously. Honestly, amping up your AC to a usable amount is going to cost you on almost everything else. I an not really knocking your build, but just be aware that you have no access to rainments. Also I doubt you will be able to hit that golden 80+AC.
Its fine to pick what you want 1st and foremost, then add what you want afterwords, but with a build like this you have to focus on 1 thing and then fill out.

2 points of STR aren't going to be that big of a difference, and with DT docents, warforged AC is up there with humans (my math is showing 50ish unbuffed, depending on gear). I could shave a couple of points from either WIS or DEX, but where to put them? That's not enough to up STR or CHA by more than 1 point, I don't need the INT, and CON seems like the least useful place to put them.

Honestly, if I am going to change anything at this point, it will be to drop paladin levels in favor of rogue, and if I'm going to drop to 6, I might as well drop to 3, and now I'm in the wrong forum

[Dylvish]

Yes...we did get off on the wrong foot. For that I apologize.

However, I'm a girl, and it's slightly annoying when people keep calling me "he" and stuff. I mean how you would feel if I called you "she" all the time (assuming that you are male, and if I am I wrong there as well I apologize for that as well)?

Lol, Aylin, your great, and you have a good knowledge base in the game and classes, but I will admit, you do often come on strong. We've even bumped heads a little once or twice in the past as well.

As for you being a woman, to be fair, you are on an MMO, and although there are a ton more females playing the game nowadays, the vast majority is still male, and since there is no gender definition in the game / forums stating what player is which sex, you'll have to be a little more forgiving of them.

Picked up some info I wasnt aware of (the smites not interrupting the monk chains in particular I found useful). Good thread.

[AylinIsAwesome]

Lol, Aylin, your great, and you have a good knowledge base in the game and classes, but I will admit, you do often come on strong. We've even bumped heads a little once or twice in the past as well.

I guess I do come on somewhat strong...

I'll see if I can try and tone it down a little bit.

As for you being a woman, to be fair, you are on an MMO, and although there are a ton more females playing the game nowadays, the vast majority is still male, and since there is no gender definition in the game / forums stating what player is which sex, you'll have to be a little more forgiving of them.

Once I'm ok with. But when I tell them I'm not a guy...then they "he" me again... Annoying...

Picked up some info I wasnt aware of (the smites not interrupting the monk chains in particular I found useful). Good thread.

I was surprised to hear this as well. The main reason I stopped playing my Monk was because I was constantly annoyed how pretty much anything will break a combo.

[Roziel_Longblade]

Picked up some info I wasnt aware of (the smites not interrupting the monk chains in particular I found useful). Good thread.

It is the upside to testing everything. Thank goodness for the instant lvl 4 status.

[PopeJual]

Once I'm ok with. But when I tell them I'm not a guy...then they "he" me again... Annoying...

It's because you're on the internets. On the internets, everyone is a 45 year old man pretending to be a young woman.

[AylinIsAwesome]

It's because you're on the internets. On the internets, everyone is a 45 year old man pretending to be a young woman.

But...if I was a 45-year-old man...that would mean I'm my dad... *Shudders and cringes at the thought.*

[lyeman]

It's because you're on the internets. On the internets, everyone is a 45 year old man pretending to be a young woman.

Oh, I didn't know Aylin was a girl.

[Glockduck]

I would like for someone to actually read the build before posting.



Warforged!



Monk!



Warforged! (I couldn't start with 17 if I wanted to!)



Acrobat/wind stance!



It was just for the raise dead ability, jeez.



My INT is set at 8 and my CON is 12?

This is getting ridiculous.

I read your build and thought it sucked. I posted my comments. Sorry they struck a nerve and ****ed you off. If you dont want people to post what they think of your build, dont ask them too.

[lyeman]

I read your build and thought it sucked. I posted my comments. Sorry they struck a nerve and ****ed you off. If you dont want people to post what they think of your build, dont ask them too.

I don't mind thoughful comments, but let's look at your post, shall we?

*Evasion does not work while you are wearing Full Plate.

The build is a warforged with monk levels and a starting 14 DEX; how the &%@ did you get "full plate" out of that?!

*A starting wisdom score of anything over 8 for a pally is a waste of points. (8+6 wisdom item =14 which is all you need)

Monks add their WIS bonus to their AC. As long as they aren't warforged wearing full plate.

* A 17 Charisma is the minimum needed to get DM 4 (with a +3 Char tome) at creation for a 20.

You have to be pure paladin to get DM IV; 12 paladin only gives access to DM II, which only requires 16 CHA (14 + 2 tome), and warforged can't even get 17 CHA to start.

* A pally that does not have the ability to take advantage of Zeal/Holy sword, is equal to a dex based, weapon finese Barbarian.

1. Acrobat speed boost = permanent zeal.
2. Blessed cold iron quarterstaves?
3. I once built a weapon finesse barbarian, and I assure you, it was much worse than this.

*AP points are too tight for a paladin to begin with, let alone waste any on improved healing abilities. That is what you have LOH for. And you want as many as you can get! Your CLW/CMW is for healing yourself in the tavern after a death. And the only reason you have those (2) spells is everything else sucks, after you have the basic ones needed,(virtue/Divine Favor/resist elements) for those levels.

AP are not that tight if you don't go full paladin, and I like having emergency resurrection options.

* KotC you need all the STR/Char/Con/Dex you can get, in that order(int/wisdom are your dump stats) You dont get any points as a pally anyways, 12 int gives you a whooping 3 per level. With a warforged, your cheapest purchase is con. yet its your lowest attribute.

CON is 12, hardly my lowest statistic, my INT is 8, dump stat, and my WIS is 12, but with good reason. Oh, and I figure that I can afford a couple of points off of CON since I get the warforged enhancement bonus.

Do you want me to go on?

Of course, if you had bothered to read the rest of the thread, you would have seen most of those issues come up and get laughed at, already. The ones that haven't come up were not even suitable material for mockery.

[Shade]

Why do all these forum posters scream about how bad of an idea it is to sacrifice +2 TEMPORARY damage bonus (DMIII VS DMIV)..

Yet no one mentions the fact he's only starting 16 str and not 18, which for a THF weapon like the staff in most cases is sacrificing 2 damage ALL of the time?

Am I the only one who gets which stat is more important here?

Or does that extra saves/smite dmg from 2 more cha make all the difference?

Seems to be that getting DMIII instead of IV isn't the end of the world for this rather low dps build anyways. Low dps or really low dps doesn't really make much difference.

[maddmatt70]

The concept with this build is not utterly horrible. It is just that acrobat staff wielders although fun are kind of gimped until they come out with acrobat 3 which hopefully will add quite a bit of dps. To recap at level 16 acrobats were competitive with other two handed builds (fighter, paladin, barbarian) then mod 9 happened and all the other thf builds got better and even the other builds (fighter, paladin, barbarian) have better tower ring sets but the acrobat did not get better. This build can not overcome the dps issues and has trouble hitting to boot.