Enough with the min lvl restrictions for quest

[Nich]

Hi,

1st post, unknown to everybody in US, coming from Keeper (DDO Europe), hello everyone nonetheless.

Anyways,

Turbine, please, stop adding level restrictions to quests. I get my pleasure out off going at low level to places such as Pit. Right now, if I am not lvl4, I can not enter. Same for Sorrowdusk. You already added such a restriction to Gianthold a while back.

Please stop this. Yes there are ways around, such as asking a lvl4 lets say for Pit to open for you.

But, please, leave the players that do not want the easy button to challenge themselves as they want.

Pretty please.

[Zenako]

Perhaps if you volunteer to handle all the help calls and tickets from any way underlevel characters trying things they have no business playing in...

[Nich]

Well, dont you only open a ticket if the issue is related to a bug that prevents you to complete?

DOnt know about you, but I dont open a ticket because one of my char is too weak to complete a quest.

[Zenako]

Well, dont you only open a ticket if the issue is related to a bug that prevents you to complete?

DOnt know about you, but I dont open a ticket because one of my char is too weak to complete a quest.

It aint me opening those tickets, it is the ton of newbs gonna be doing that....just like the Store protects players from being able to purchase things that the character at the store cannot use is newb protection....

[Winteris]

It aint me opening those tickets, it is the ton of newbs gonna be doing that....just like the Store protects players from being able to purchase things that the character at the store cannot use is newb protection....

I cant really understand people who want to punish smarter/better players to make life easier/safer for dumb majority. That strange trend is visible not only in games btw. You are scarying me, really.

[Robi3.0]

I think the min level has more to do with preventing 1st level characters from riding the coat tails of capped characters to mega favor and Turbine points galore.

[Zenako]

I cant really understand people who want to punish smarter/better players to make life easier/safer for dumb majority. That strange trend is visible not only in games btw. You are scarying me, really.

Its a tradeoff. Perhaps annoy a handful of players who cannot open or buy things that are either above them or unusable by them at that time, or deal with the remedial help and trouble tickers from those who are able to make those mistakes. With the store you have the added concern about players spending more than time (ie real $$ used to purchase TP) being wasted on unusable purchases and how to handle things like that. It was easier to just lock out anything not useable by the character and remove that excuse. "I did not know I couldn't use it, so give me my money back" type calls.

Idiot protection is a big part of life today. Did you know for example, that Hot Coffee is actually Hot? Check out those amazing warning labels on some coffee cups theses days.

[Zenako]

I think the min level has more to do with preventing 1st level characters from riding the coat tails of capped characters to mega favor and Turbine points galore.

But they can still get in if someone is of level, they just cannot open it on their own.

[Nich]

A good compromise could be to disable this feature once one of your char reached 1750 favor, or something along the line.

So newbie wouldnt get into troubles and would stay in the track of the learning curve, and veterans could keep their fun.

[Robi3.0]

But they can still get in if someone is of level, they just cannot open it on their own.

Hmm.. back when the festivualt was around I got it in my head that I would use my f2p account to help my main account farm coins went to the harbor with the intent of running Irestone Inlet. I went to enter the quest with my fresh of the boat character and was told that I could not because I was not lvl 4 even though I was in a party with a lvl 20 character. It wouldn't even give me the quest via quest sharing.

[ArichValtrahn]

Its a shame your suggestion is getting trolled. Seems like a reasonable one. If they were truly concerned with people going into quests they shouldnt, they could always have a warning pop up - like when you try to leave a quest area before completing.

[Zenako]

Hmm.. back when the festivualt was around I got it in my head that I would use my f2p account to help my main account farm coins went to the harbor with the intent of running Irestone Inlet. I went to enter the quest with my fresh of the boat character and was told that I could not because I was not lvl 4 even though I was in a party with a lvl 20 character. It wouldn't even give me the quest via quest sharing.

But if the main went in, could you then open and enter? I have two accounts and have done that often in the past.

It can be an issue getting into some zones (like noone lower than 16 into the Lower Harbor aka Inspired Quarter). I could not enter a zone like the SUB, as the first one in the party, but as the second one in I could. Then I could Greater Teleport to GH for example, and go out in the zone well underlevel.

It is possible they have tightened things up.

[Hendrik]

Level restrictions are there for a purpose and to remove them would cause serious problems.

I would suggest OP, continue to use the workaround you posted.

[Robi3.0]

But if the main went in, could you then open and enter? I have two accounts and have done that often in the past.

It can be an issue getting into some zones (like noone lower than 16 into the Lower Harbor aka Inspired Quarter). I could not enter a zone like the SUB, as the first one in the party, but as the second one in I could. Then I could Greater Teleport to GH for example, and go out in the zone well underlevel.

It is possible they have tightened things up.

See that is wear my memory is fuzzy, and why I could be wrong, I can't remember for sure if my high character was in the quest yet. Usually I put my main character in quests first since that account is all ways running on my gaming computer and put my F2p character in last since that account usually runs on a laptop I dont like to play on much.

I guess I need to do some more checking. Of course it might also be different since the quest giver is also the quest entrance in my example.

[Winteris]

Level restrictions are there for a purpose and to remove them would cause serious problems.

I would suggest OP, continue to use the workaround you posted.

Any examples of that serious problems, any explanation ? Or u just talk in that all-knowing style because u like it ?

And tbh ppl smart enough to use credit cart should be smart enough to notice that they r dying because they r in too high level quest. Suggestion from Turbine, that ppl r so dumb that they cant notice such obvious things is offending imho.

[Zenako]

However, the implication is that if the game lets you go into a quest or zone, you should have a reasonable chance of playing in that zone. (ie not require an uber twinked toon with a good player to even consider handling). Just like amusement parks have height minimums for many rides to protect small children and parents from themselves who might otherwise want to ride something they cannot be safely restrained in or on. Yes that same ride could be modified to ensure even the 3 year old was securely restrained, but then it might be hard to fit the 6'5" adult into the same "seat".

By putting that restriction on initial entry, it prevents those who would in all likelihood be simply outclassed by the quest from entering and just dying on their own. Since we have been told time and time again by some posters that "dying is not fun", this serves to prevent gratuitous death for those who would be overmatched.

[Lorz]

Fine make it so only Vets can open any quest at any level.
Easy to solve.
No reason to nerf it so we can challenge ourselves.

[Lorz]

However, the implication is that if the game lets you go into a quest or zone, you should have a reasonable chance of playing in that zone. (ie not require an uber twinked toon with a good player to even consider handling). Just like amusement parks have height minimums for many rides to protect small children and parents from themselves who might otherwise want to ride something they cannot be safely restrained in or on. Yes that same ride could be modified to ensure even the 3 year old was securely restrained, but then it might be hard to fit the 6'5" adult into the same "seat".

By putting that restriction on initial entry, it prevents those who would in all likelihood be simply outclassed by the quest from entering and just dying on their own. Since we have been told time and time again by some posters that "dying is not fun", this serves to prevent gratuitous death for those who would be overmatched.

Thats what the recommended levels are for...It says right as you enter. This is just more of the lets make it a care bear land so nobody fails BS. And that is still BS.

[zorander6]

Fine make it so only Vets can open any quest at any level.
Easy to solve.
No reason to nerf it so we can challenge ourselves.

This is akin to making a "vets only server," how do you define who "vets" are. Number of deaths against number of runs, per server, per character, time account has existed, number of quests run and completed, number of quests run, overall, and how do we average this so that it's not impossible to reach and the poor new players don't feel slighted that the "big boys and girls" are playing a different game.

Not saying it's a bad idea but there is a lot of logistics and politics behind it that honestly would be more complicated to go through that just saying "you must be level x to enter the quest because 90% of you will not do well if you aren't that level."

[lazylaz]

1000 favour used to equal a Vet for a short while. Until they put the status up for sale. They could just keep it at 1000.