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  1. 02-04-2010, 06:07 AM #1
    ElusiveEagle
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    Default Dragonmark halfling assassin, advice wanted

    Due to some of the great feedback i got, I have modified my build,

    ***Modifications include:
    -Bumping back TWF line
    -Replacing one toughness feat with PA
    -Nimble Fingers removed due to one less feat
    -Taking one less fighter level
    -Others...



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Crimini Backstabber
Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(1 Fighter \ 19 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 236
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 18
Will: 8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             14                 18                   18
Dexterity            16                 18                   20
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence         12                 12                   12
Wisdom               10                 10                   10
Charisma              8                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               7                 27                   28
Bluff                -1                 -1                    9
Concentration         2                  2                    3
Diplomacy             3                 21                   22
Disable Device        5                 23                   24
Haggle               -1                 -1                    0
Heal                  0                  0                    3
Hide                  6                 27                   38
Intimidate           -1                 -1                    0
Jump                  2                  5                    8
Listen                0                  0                    3
Move Silently         6                 27                   38
Open Lock             7                 27                   28
Perform              n/a               n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                  1                    2
Search                5                 22                   23
Spot                  4                 21                   22
Swim                  2                  4                    5
Tumble                5                  7                    8
Use Magic Device      3                 22                   23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Healing
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Healing
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Healing
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) I


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Reflex) I
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  2. 02-04-2010, 07:37 AM #2
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    Yes, Halfling Guile stacks with SA.

    Nimble Fingers is a waste of a feat. Take something else, like Improved Critical or Power Attack.

    Similarly, I think taking Toughness twice is kind of a waste. Again, one of the two above feats would serve you better.

    Thinking about it, Skill Focus: UMD might also be a decent fit since your Cha is kind of low. On a similar note, so is your Wis. Some players may not care, or may feel that min/maxing removes the need for it, but I prefer having a 10 or 12 Wis on my rogue-types, as Will saves hurt (may want to really consider Slippery Mind over Skill Mastery, and earlier) and Spot checks, if you care about them, tend to want max ranks, the best item you can get your hands on, and a decent Wis.
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  3. 02-04-2010, 07:50 AM #3
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    does power attack stack with subtle back stabbing?
    also, what kind of weapons should I use? I was thinking piercing weapons (rapiers short swords), but are slashing weapons(i dont get proficiencies until the first lvl of fighter...) better?

    and regarding the Wis aspect, i have decided to lower dex to 16 and raise wis to 10, would that help a bit?
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  4. 02-04-2010, 08:06 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElusiveEagle View Post
    does power attack stack with subtle back stabbing?
    also, what kind of weapons should I use? I was thinking piercing weapons, but are slashing weapons better?
    Not really sure what you mean by stack in this case. Power Attack will raise your base damage, while Subtle Backstabbing will treat your damage as a percentage less. So in that sense they should stack, but it's not a direct sort of thing the way stacking is usually discussed.

    Well, with the fighter levels you'll have access to scimitars and kukris, which are a better combo than rapiers and shortswords, so I'd probably go slashing.
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  5. 02-04-2010, 08:08 AM #5
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    stacking as in can i have them both on at the same time?

    Thanks for all the advice =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElusiveEagle View Post
    stacking as in can i have them both on at the same time?

    Thanks for all the advice =D
    Not sure yet, as I haven't grabbed PA on my rogue yet (in a level or two), but I'd assume you can.
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