a few pali questions

[kartos]

so im considering rolling a pali and im a bit confused so here are my questions

first i wanna TWF elven KoTC im 28 pt so i thought of these stats:

14 str
17 dex
12 con
8 int
10 wis
14 cha

with 4 level ups into cha so if i run into +2 tome i will be able to take DM4

the 5h level up is to str so i will hope for a +3 tome

why cha and not str?

will i have seen in a thread that DM4 gives a higher + to DPS that those extra points to STR and the lack of +2 to hit isn't that bad

so is it possible without being gimped?

2) what skills to level i thought of a bit to jum and the rest to balance what do u say?

3) what are mosy get enchantments i was planing to take the KoTC and his pre req enchantments the capstone DM line of course and divine sacrifice oh and the elven scimitar enchantments what else?

thanks in advance for help

[AylinIsAwesome]

Well first off WIS is a dump stat. So you'll wanna make that 8 and INT 10.

The reason WIS is a dump stat is that Paladins only have spells up to 4th level. Since what you need to cast a spell is 10 + spell level having a total of 14 WIS in the end will let you cast all your spells. So if you start with 8 WIS and wear a +6 item you can cast everything you've got.

Second, if you have access to Drow I would highly recommend you roll up your Paladin as a Drow instead of as an Elf. (And accruing 400 total favour if you don't). Since you'll want 2 skill points per level, the Drow starting with 10 base INT gives you that with no stat points spend. Also since CHA gives you better increases to damage than STR does ('till 20 base CHA) the racial +2 CHA is a big asset here.

Also if you eat a tome, it's considered as though it's base for feats and enhancements, so if you start with say 17 CHA and eat a +3 CHA tome that will qualify you for Divine Might 4. Also if you start with 16 DEX and eat a +1 that will qualify you for ITWF and GTWF. This will let you have a higher STR to add to your DPS.

The one you posted is "sorta" gimpish, because of the initial stats. It's extremely hard to get the 5 required stats on a TWF Paladin high enough with a 28 point build. That's why I generally recommend that people with only 28 point builds build THF ones instead, since it's much easier on stat points.

In my opinion, the stats you should train (based on skill points per level) on a Paladin are as follows:

1 point in Tumble at level 1
11 ranks in UMD
11 ranks in Balance
Up to 10 total Jump modifier

And if you have more, then maybe just a single point into Open Lock (which will let you open the largest majority of locks in the game), just for convenience.

On your build, you'd have one skill point per level, so 1 rank in Tumble and 10 in UMD (since 10.5 will do you no better than 10). That's why I recommend 10 INT on a non-human Paladin, because I think that both UMD and Balance are very important.

As to enhancements, after Toughness 1 & 2 (Racial and Paladin), the KotC pre-reqs, KotC itself, DM 4, DS 3, ES 4, Scimmie/Rapier damage 2, Lay on Hands 3 and the Capstone...you don't have a lot left to work with.

[kartos]

ok thanks for the reply

about drow: i hate those purple elf wannabe guys and i will never play them!(although i know they have great boost as paladin)

about moving wis to int i will consider it i hoped i will be able to cast first level spells as soon as i get them but i will wait....

and 10 int will give me 2 skill points per level meaning i can get about 11 ranks in UMD 1 point to tumble and 11 to balance but only 1 point to jump considering that heavy armor gives m- to tumble i will move that point o ump any other advicve?

edit:
im trying to build an enchantment buuild but can't fit every thing in

DM 10
toughness 6(pali+2 racial)
DC 6
capstone 2
exalted smite 10
extra smite 10
EL 6
basic faith 2
advanced faith 4
scimitar damage 6
scimitar attack 6
SP 3
aura 3
KOTC 8
togother is 82 i can drop 1 of the toughness 2 but then i find i have a pre req problem with AC spent what to do?

[AylinIsAwesome]

You can drop scimitar attack 2. 1 also; you won't really need them unless you do Epic, and then it's easy to respec your enhancements.

I'd look closer, but...I gotta run to school before I'm late.

I'll look more closely when I get back.

[kartos]

You can drop scimitar attack 2. 1 also; you won't really need them unless you do Epic, and then it's easy to respec your enhancements.

I'd look closer, but...I gotta run to school before I'm late.

I'll look more closely when I get back.

k ty for ur help

[AylinIsAwesome]

Yep, you can drop the Rapier Attack enhancement, and that will leave you with 2 APs to play with.


Though be sure to add it back in when you start doing Epics, perhaps at the lose of an Exalted Smiting level or Rapier damage.

[Ninetoes]

ok thanks for the reply

about drow: i hate those purple elf wannabe guys and i will never play them!(although i know they have great boost as paladin)

Mind if I ask why? If it's a looks thing, I can understand. Remember, though, Eberron Drow are not your typical DnD Drow. Read up on them, you might actually take a liking to them.

[kartos]

any 1 willing to post a full enchantment build? cuz my problem is mainly with AP spent pre req and about why i hate drows its cuz im a fan of the elves and they claim to be the true elves who preserve the dignity of the elven race thus i hate them

[Ninetoes]

any 1 willing to post a full enchantment build? cuz my problem is mainly with AP spent pre req and about why i hate drows its cuz im a fan of the elves and they claim to be the true elves who preserve the dignity of the elven race thus i hate them

The best possible thing you can do is to get the character planner and play with them on your own.

http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO/

Foreknowledged is forearmed.

On Drow: It's a perspective thing. Depending on how you read the history, they DID preserve the dignity of the elven race.

[kartos]

The best possible thing you can do is to get the character planner and play with them on your own.

http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO/

Foreknowledged is forearmed.

On Drow: It's a perspective thing. Depending on how you read the history, they DID preserve the dignity of the elven race.

i have the char planner but as i said except the problem with too much AP to use(which we solved) i have a problem with pre req of AP spent for some enchantments so it sucks

[AylinIsAwesome]

i have the char planner but as i said except the problem with too much AP to use(which we solved) i have a problem with pre req of AP spent for some enchantments so it sucks

On my Paladin I had to buy CHA 1 in order to get everything to work right.

[kartos]

k thanks i guess i will do just that here goes my 2 last points

[Ninetoes]

i have the char planner but as i said except the problem with too much AP to use(which we solved) i have a problem with pre req of AP spent for some enchantments so it sucks

Whopps! My mistake, I didn't catch that. I thought you were trying to figure that out on your own. That's what I get for failing at reading

[Ninetoes]

and 10 int will give me 2 skill points per level meaning i can get about 11 ranks in UMD 1 point to tumble and 11 to balance but only 1 point to jump considering that heavy armor gives m- to tumble i will move that point o ump any other advicve?

One thing I missed here. I can't stand not having tumble. Mithril armor and the target STR you're already shooting for will make tumbling easy even with 1 point into it. I'd still take a point in tumble were I you. I suppose it's one of those personal choice things.

[AylinIsAwesome]

Tumble is based on DEX, not STR.


With 16 DEX it's possible to tumble in Full Plate with a simple +3 tumbling item and a single point put into it. Later on when you get some better gear you shouldn't need that anymore to tumble. (From things like +2 luck bonus to skills from the item).

[Ninetoes]

Tumble is based on DEX, not STR.


With 16 DEX it's possible to tumble in Full Plate with a simple +3 tumbling item and a single point put into it. Later on when you get some better gear you shouldn't need that anymore to tumble. (From things like +2 luck bonus to skills from the item).

God, I'm tired. Thinking jump. I need to go to bed.

[kartos]

k ty for all ur help all my problems are solved and when i will fix this frigging game(since the update it doesn't connect hope reinstallg will solve the problem) i will be able o play and about tumble if that's the situation then im taking it ty for help