First raid...Depressing

[Emili]

There are a lot of people playing every class and build badly. That doesn't mean the flaw is with the build.

Exactly... people do not take a lot of time to understand and play the class to it's strengths.

[lyeman]

Wrong and the hyperbole just makes it a silly statement. Are you going to do as much damage as a kensai fighter or tempest monster?

Yes.

No. Nor should you expect to do so.

I disagree.

That is not what the Monk build is about and anyone that makes a monk with the sole focus of max DPS is neglecting the functions of a monk and therefore making a gimped monk (or, more accurately, a fighter wannabe).

Sorry, I forgot that only your opinion of what the monk is about counts.

Yes STR based monks have their merits and I am not saying everyone should make a wis based monk (play according to your style!) but when people come on here and make patently false statements they should be called out on it.

So why are you directing this at me?

So please stop telling people to reroll just because a build is not done according to your (false) perceptions.

That's not why I told him to reroll.

Besides, you can't name a single build that does not excel with good gear.

Is that a challenge? I guarantee I could hand you a character build that is worthless with any kind of gear.

So the whole notion of needing to farm gear to be any good is just a bunch of garrulous nonsense.

That was my point; or rather, it should be, but then we have all these people giving advice to build characters that require you to farm all this gear... why aren't you whining to them?

[lyeman]

Those are assumptions, not facts.

Twist definitions all you want, I'm trying to tell people how it really is.

And instead of blaming dex/wis halfling monks, blame the player. What you mean to say is

"The best you can extrapolate from this is that there are a lot of people playing badly."

You don't have to extrapolate that.

Again, this is just an opinion based on assumptions and you knpw what they say when you assume.

Yea, but that only affects "u" and "mption".

[Emili]

Yeah I realize with Titan's grip it is much more doable, hence asking if that was included. However the Titan's grip buff is short duration and only recharges one of the three charges per rest so it's not as if you can rely on having the buff up all the time. Also, I would imagine that a halfling monk considered Dex/Wis based as Ramses stated his was would not have level ups in strength.

14 Base
+2 Tome
+6 item
+2 Exceptional
+6 Titan's Grip
+2 Rage
+2 Yogo
=34 Str.

even though you suggest that Titan's Grip should not be considered IMO it should not be discounted.

I am, Rameses!

Why are you two quarreling such? and no 34 even 40 potted, cookied or clickied str really is not impressive... dex builds are just harder and more gear dependent to push dps out of, that is fact - I believe that is all Impatiens implied.

[Ellyll]

With Titan Grip gloves it should be easy.

16 Base
5 level ups (if you want)
2 tome (more likely a 3 if a PG vet)
6 Base Stat item
= 29 right there
6 titan gloves
= 35

16 starting str on a halfling is half of your starting points on a 32 pt build. (16 total).

I would think that if you want to go str you should pick another race. To start with 16 dex on a halfling is only 8 pts.

[Impatiens]

Why are you two quarreling such? and no 34 even 40 potted, cookied or clickied str really is not impressive... dex builds are just harder and more gear dependent to push dps out of, that is fact - I believe that is all Impatiens implied.

I don't think we were quarreling at all I was just curious what Rameses did for his strength numbers and he mistook my saying that the Titan's grip buff can't be counted on to mean it should be discounted. No real quarrel there, just a slight misunderstanding of what I said.

[Mumu720]

Turn off power attack, you're 8 in a minimum 10 quest, if they had it higher difficulty it could have been 12, you havent said, in any case you're to-hit is too low to be using power attack right now and for quite a while especially if you use the wf enhancment to get more damage out of PA.

i'd be willing to bet the 3's you were getting for damage were glancing blows, it means you really missed, but turbine gave you a consolation prize for trying.

Next time you go back, turn off PA, and try not to be moving when attacking, i'm sure you'll have better results, i'm speaking for the regular enemies, for the golems you'll need something to beat the DR, no way around that to do decent damage.

I doubt he had any trouble with that, i ran delaras which is lvl 7 and i was lvl 4 fresh off the veteran boat, and i dpuled everyones kills and barrily ever missed with power attack on and the wf pa enhancement, i dont think thats his problem, sounds to me like its a dr problem, like he cant get past the mobs dr.

[entropiccanuck]

This sounds very sad, I heard that most monks don't actually dps a lot, but... I was expecting them to be usefull to the party.

This thing is making me wonder if I got a good class or if I should reroll as a diferent class althought I like the monk, but if is unusefull in raids (wich is basically the main par of the game once you get to level 20)...

Could you please tell me some reasons to keep playing monk? and not to rerol into something else.

thanks.

My monk, halfling with a similar build to yours, recently did her first TS group. She was lvl 8 then too. I usually forget to check the kill counts, but she was a close second behind a warrior who was lvl 10. One advantage I have is that this is my 3rd character, so I was semi-familiar with the quest. Knowing what's coming up (and swapping weapons to be effective) helps a lot.

One other thing I did was trying to keep Aligning the Heavens (-25% to sp usage) up on our casters. That was very appreciated by them.

[DarkFlash]

Your gear does not look at THAT bad for a level 8. I probably had worse when I first went through on my monk before reincarnation. Were you really doing just 3 damage a hit?? Or are you exaggerating a little?? Don't except to do the heavy dps just yet for monk. It takes alot of planning with gear and stats to get to that point. As you get up in the levels your fists will get more powerful. I really didn't start to feel comfortable with my dps until I reincarnated with 2d12 for fists, and 2 ToD rings with holy burst and shocking burst on them to really feel like a dps help to the group. So just kinda get used to feeling that way until you get your gear the way you like. Also with the new update coming out maybe try to go dark path for the 500 pt ki strike. But at a low level it might be hard to build up 50 ki fast enough for it to really be worth it. You just gotta be patient with the class and like the ddo compendium says, the class is slow to master. Also if your worried about being a asset in kills to the group, pick up a pair of vorpals and go wind stance. Monks are very good at vorpaling in my experience due to the sheer number of attacks and speed with wind stance, and that can be a very easy way to pad your kills. I might have a low level vorpal in the bank or something I can send your way to help out if your on Sarlona server. Until then man, stick with it and you will feel the rewards later. Good luck.

EDIT: And if your missing alot maybe you have power attack on, at low levels its usually better to turn that off since the monk BAB isnt so hot at low levels.

5% weighted handwraps with shocking AND icy burst + holy burst AND X burst ToD rings + TR = YAY \o/

Thats my goal, only rings and TR to go.

[winsom]

Make sure you get the Power Attack feat.

Be aware of how often you are missing on attack (it sounds like you are). You can increase your chances with Potions of Heroism (House J merchant)

Make sure you are using a stance that gives you +1 more on your attack rolls. i.e. Sun Stance if using a quarterstaff. If your goal is to do faster-killing then you aren't caring about an extra point or two of armor class. If you do care then buy Barkskin AC potions from Marketplace (+2) or House J. (+3).

You can buy Potions of Haste, which aid attack probability, attack speed and +1 to Armor Class. Frequent potion-use can get expensive but it is a good option to have for the occasional Raid, or battle turned-sour where you need all the help you can get.

Have a Frost Quarterstaff or Metalline Quarterstaff if you do not have handwrap versions of these. Quarterstaves will do extra damage with the Power Attack feat active because it is a two-handed weapon, and you get +50% more bonus damage from your Strength score.

If you are missing too often then Use your monk attacks that lower Armor Class. They might also miss, but it is worth trying. You might find a Quarterstaff of Destruction which applies a -4 penalty to monster AC after 1 strike. Use that once per monster then switch to a more-damaging weapon.