Wow....What the hell? I guess I'm a noob now!

[Gorstag]

I was in a pug shroud today on my kensai fighter, level 18. Anyway, when I joined I noticed that every guild title in the group was new and unknown to me. That at first kinda got me suspicious of the group. BTW, the only guild name that was familar to me was from the guild Bane (only one person in eleven that had a known guild). No problems there, ran with those guys alot. Anyway, there was a newbie rogue in the group who stated that this was his first run, and want to know what exactly should he try to craft for greensteel weapons. Well, my main being a decently built rogue IMHO I started giving him some advice. Radiance II weapons and a hp item. Simple enough, but oh hell no. The other members of this group basically said I had no idea what I was talking about and that lightning strike and min II was the only way ANY melee class should craft including rogues. I guess I need to relearn that rogue manual. Should mention that the member from bane did agree with me however, but aparently these new guild tags know better than some of us more seasoned players. Needless to say this group failed horribly in part five as I doubt if any of the melees had more than 300 hps. Still, I stayed quiet and let the group leader run the raid and did what I was instructed, he was honestly trying his best. But there was just bad play all around. Maybe I should again simply stick to guild runs since these guys know so much more than me. Anyway, just needed to vent abit. Kinda wonder why I even bother with new players anymore.

[Quikster]

n00b happens


Seen lots of stuff like that going on.

[Lithic]

A rogue without radience2 weapons is like a massage without the happy ending.


You were right, they were morons.

[Gadget2775]

Yer a total Noob. Only solution is for you to make your wife take over your acount after you give me the 50 some odd Large Scales you're hoarding

[chester99]

can someone explain to me how this crop of new players became so increadibly convinced of [insert randomly wrong thing here] that they're willing to argue it into the ground? did I miss a memo or something? when I'm not sure about a topic, I usually don't come out swinging to insist that yes, the earth really is flat.

and while that particular topic hasn't yet come up, I have a feeling that if we took a poll in the f2p community, there would be a heated debate.

/sigh

[RobbinB]

I was in a pug shroud today on my kensai fighter, level 18. Anyway, when I joined I noticed that every guild title in the group was new and unknown to me. That at first kinda got me suspicious of the group. BTW, the only guild name that was familar to me was from the guild Bane (only one person in eleven that had a known guild). No problems there, ran with those guys alot. Anyway, there was a newbie rogue in the group who stated that this was his first run, and want to know what exactly should he try to craft for greensteel weapons. Well, my main being a decently built rogue IMHO I started giving him some advice. Radiance II weapons and a hp item. Simple enough, but oh hell no. The other members of this group basically said I had no idea what I was talking about and that lightning strike and min II was the only way ANY melee class should craft including rogues. I guess I need to relearn that rogue manual. Should mention that the member from bane did agree with me however, but aparently these new guild tags know better than some of us more seasoned players. Needless to say this group failed horribly in part five as I doubt if any of the melees had more than 300 hps. Still, I stayed quiet and let the group leader run the raid and did what I was instructed, he was honestly trying his best. But there was just bad play all around. Maybe I should again simply stick to guild runs since these guys know so much more than me. Anyway, just needed to vent abit. Kinda wonder why I even bother with new players anymore.

Having recently switched over to Orien and starting up a new character, I've learned that most of the tried and true tactics I learned several years ago are now scoffed at by the "young and hip":

1. Body pulling
"Be better if I just range. I'll pull them in little groups"

2. Door blocking with high AC/evasion toon.
"Leeroy..." Well he didn't say it, but the drow 2wf'ing bard might as well have as he charged into the room full of ogres....name turns red about 2 seconds later.

Lots of other examples, I actually get quite a kick out of much of it, provided we can still get through the quest backpacking stones.

[DagazUlf]

Overall, I am not a fan of this recent crop of players. Way too much attitude and just general idiocy makes for a bad combination. That being said, there have been some fantastic new players, I'm just stipulating the "overall" part.

[Arlith]

Radience II rapiers on a rogue.....

[Blackbird]

I was in a pug shroud today on my kensai fighter, level 18. Anyway, when I joined I noticed that every guild title in the group was new and unknown to me. That at first kinda got me suspicious of the group. BTW, the only guild name that was familar to me was from the guild Bane (only one person in eleven that had a known guild). No problems there, ran with those guys alot. Anyway, there was a newbie rogue in the group who stated that this was his first run, and want to know what exactly should he try to craft for greensteel weapons. Well, my main being a decently built rogue IMHO I started giving him some advice. Radiance II weapons and a hp item. Simple enough, but oh hell no. The other members of this group basically said I had no idea what I was talking about and that lightning strike and min II was the only way ANY melee class should craft including rogues. I guess I need to relearn that rogue manual. Should mention that the member from bane did agree with me however, but aparently these new guild tags know better than some of us more seasoned players. Needless to say this group failed horribly in part five as I doubt if any of the melees had more than 300 hps. Still, I stayed quiet and let the group leader run the raid and did what I was instructed, he was honestly trying his best. But there was just bad play all around. Maybe I should again simply stick to guild runs since these guys know so much more than me. Anyway, just needed to vent abit. Kinda wonder why I even bother with new players anymore.

At least you made it to part 5. I joined a PUG Shroud of 15-18 on my FvS (healer build) and Freeman on his Tempest ranger. One of my guildies was in there on his bard. I *did* recognize the guild tag on about half the ground (they were all from the same guild) so I was "on notice". I was a little leery about the DPS as our "DPS" consisted of a monk, a fighter/monk, and some fighter mix with SP (and Freeman's Tempest). They didn't have the DPS to do Part 2. I.e. Freeman was soloing the earth and the other 7 people couldn't take out the other 3 (one of the 2 wizards (we had 2 but one had a greatsword so who knows) on crystal, 2 healers, bard helping heal). The fighter with SP kept insisting that for low DPS Shrouds you should pull them (them being troll, earth, orc, and devil) all to the same place. Our "DPS" couldn't keep up with the regen or get past the DR. I burned all my Heal scrolls and then our guildie DDoored us out of there. I am pretty sure my FvS had more hps than any of our melee "DPS" by far (except Freeman).

I was immensely amused when one guy got mad at me for "yelling" at him. He said I didn't need to yell but then, in the same sentence, said he couldn't hear me asking him to take the earth to the SE for the 5th time. People kept killing things instead of prepping (normally not a big deal but if you can't kill the rest in time....).

So...I form my own and am selective. I'll take an unknown guild or a guild I haven't had good experiences with only if I only have 1 or 2 spots to fill quick and they're not critical classes. I don't like being like that but I don't have much of a choice anymore.

Oh...and yeah, can my rogue join your n00b club of rogues (or should we say rouges?) with Radiance 2 rapiers? We sux00r.

[Judo]

At least you made it to part 5. I joined a PUG Shroud of 15-18 on my FvS (healer build) and Freeman on his Tempest ranger. One of my guildies was in there on his bard. I *did* recognize the guild tag on about half the ground (they were all from the same guild) so I was "on notice". I was a little leery about the DPS as our "DPS" consisted of a monk, a fighter/monk, and some fighter mix with SP (and Freeman's Tempest). They didn't have the DPS to do Part 2. I.e. Freeman was soloing the earth and the other 7 people couldn't take out the other 3 (one of the 2 wizards (we had 2 but one had a greatsword so who knows) on crystal, 2 healers, bard helping heal). The fighter with SP kept insisting that for low DPS Shrouds you should pull them (them being troll, earth, orc, and devil) all to the same place. Our "DPS" couldn't keep up with the regen or get past the DR. I burned all my Heal scrolls and then our guildie DDoored us out of there. I am pretty sure my FvS had more hps than any of our melee "DPS" by far (except Freeman).

I was immensely amused when one guy got mad at me for "yelling" at him. He said I didn't need to yell but then, in the same sentence, said he couldn't hear me asking him to take the earth to the SE for the 5th time. People kept killing things instead of prepping (normally not a big deal but if you can't kill the rest in time....).

So...I form my own and am selective. I'll take an unknown guild or a guild I haven't had good experiences with only if I only have 1 or 2 spots to fill quick and they're not critical classes. I don't like being like that but I don't have much of a choice anymore.

Oh...and yeah, can my rogue join your n00b club of rogues (or should we say rouges?) with Radiance 2 rapiers? We sux00r.

noob

[DrWorm0]

You're all n00bs...

Triple negative is the way to go.

[tc12]

At least you made it to part 5. I joined a PUG Shroud ... They didn't have the DPS to do Part 2.

Ya, I played one of my old characters last night, mainly seeing what all he needed pending a greater reincarnation hopefully later this week. Joined a Shroud pug... Turns out from the conversation I'm taking some a spot of someone who dropped after wiping in part 2. So I reset my expectations of it becoming a small shard farming run. Could see right away portal DPS was low, though we did complete 1 ok if slow. There was excited chatter about 2 (two!) vorpals that were in the chests after pt 1. Hmmm, the odds of even half bypassing DR in 4 or 5?

In pt 2 on the run to the SE it seemed that no one besides me may have had vorpals, or at best didn't feel like swinging them at anything on the way. Waiting in the SE I start swinging when I see mobs arive, but then 6 of the cats are on me all at once and I'm tripped and not seeing any mass heals and we wipe even before pulling the center. That was a first! LOL

Better a fast wipe sometimes, cut your losses and move on was my thinking.

TC
BoSS | Zest/Chantz/Gimmel...

[Braegan]

can someone explain to me how this crop of new players became so increadibly convinced of [insert randomly wrong thing here] that they're willing to argue it into the ground? did I miss a memo or something? when I'm not sure about a topic, I usually don't come out swinging to insist that yes, the earth really is flat.

and while that particular topic hasn't yet come up, I have a feeling that if we took a poll in the f2p community, there would be a heated debate.

/sigh

Man, I wish I knew. I found myself the other day trying to correct faulty information in the advice channel only to see my screen light up in a barrage of more non-sense, flames, etc. My favorite quote from one of the n00bs was: "Phalse, if you are such a skilled player what are you doing in the newbie advice channel?" Just priceless.

Oh and FYI I was being told it was a waste of a healers mana to use CC spells as that mana should be used on heals only and I would be taking the job away from the arcane if I did so.

[gorloch]

Oh and FYI I was being told it was a waste of a healers mana to use CC spells as that mana should be used on heals only and I would be taking the job away from the arcane if I did so.

I thought a healers blue bar is only supposed to be used for buffing and filling up others red bars. What are you thinking using crowd control.


PIXA

[gorloch]

I was in a pug shroud today on my kensai fighter, level 18. Anyway, when I joined I noticed that every guild title in the group was new and unknown to me. That at first kinda got me suspicious of the group. BTW, the only guild name that was familar to me was from the guild Bane (only one person in eleven that had a known guild). No problems there, ran with those guys alot. Anyway, there was a newbie rogue in the group who stated that this was his first run, and want to know what exactly should he try to craft for greensteel weapons. Well, my main being a decently built rogue IMHO I started giving him some advice. Radiance II weapons and a hp item. Simple enough, but oh hell no. The other members of this group basically said I had no idea what I was talking about and that lightning strike and min II was the only way ANY melee class should craft including rogues. I guess I need to relearn that rogue manual. Should mention that the member from bane did agree with me however, but aparently these new guild tags know better than some of us more seasoned players. Needless to say this group failed horribly in part five as I doubt if any of the melees had more than 300 hps. Still, I stayed quiet and let the group leader run the raid and did what I was instructed, he was honestly trying his best. But there was just bad play all around. Maybe I should again simply stick to guild runs since these guys know so much more than me. Anyway, just needed to vent abit. Kinda wonder why I even bother with new players anymore.

Of course Dom you know everyone in guild is gonna think your a noob. I agree with Xun, let the wife take over the account after giving me the 50+ large scales you have sitting in your bags.


PIXA

[weyoun]

Yeah its hit or miss on a bunch of different servers due to the influx of noobs. I did a shroud the other day where the plan for part 5 was for the healers to drink pots. Noone used the pools, no concealment, no kiting and most importantly, no dps. It was like the first time I was in the shroud only we completed that one.

[weyoun]

Man, I wish I knew. I found myself the other day trying to correct faulty information in the advice channel only to see my screen light up in a barrage of more non-sense, flames, etc. My favorite quote from one of the n00bs was: "Phalse, if you are such a skilled player what are you doing in the newbie advice channel?" Just priceless.

Oh and FYI I was being told it was a waste of a healers mana to use CC spells as that mana should be used on heals only and I would be taking the job away from the arcane if I did so.

Gahh noobs.

[TheDjinnFor]

Man, I wish I knew. I found myself the other day trying to correct faulty information in the advice channel only to see my screen light up in a barrage of more non-sense, flames, etc. My favorite quote from one of the n00bs was: "Phalse, if you are such a skilled player what are you doing in the newbie advice channel?" Just priceless.

Oh and FYI I was being told it was a waste of a healers mana to use CC spells as that mana should be used on heals only and I would be taking the job away from the arcane if I did so.

Saw you; wasn't that the debate on how clerics should or should not melee? Which sort of went on for about an hour or three and turned into something else entirely?

I remember some guy saying something about how clerics should reserve their spells, build points, and gear for healing rather than meleeing at all. That he prefers "healbots" because it's more mana and build-efficient and thinks battleclerics are gimped. Then it sort of went off from there... I came back an hour later to see my screen filling up with all these yellow posts on wizard/sorceror CC versus cleric/favored soul CC.

Good times, good times...? Off topic aside...

[Xyfiel]

Newer players have hit the high end.
Newer players have reincarnated.
Newer players are in established guilds.
Newer players are harder to spot.
Newer players can hit 20 piking the whole way.
Newer players don't get to learn what they need to know.

If I don't know you personally, I will shortman the quest 95% of the time. It just isn't worth the hassle. I will shortman any quest with a few exceptions:
Von5, because failing von 6 just means I get another chance of 5 xp
Tempest Spine, normally have to backtrack to find the lost once or twice, but still quicker overall
Shroud, but I am seriously reconsidering this one
Hound/Vision/Tod, because I just have not seen a really bad group for these

[Xaearth]

Ya, I played one of my old characters last night, mainly seeing what all he needed pending a greater reincarnation hopefully later this week. Joined a Shroud pug... Turns out from the conversation I'm taking some a spot of someone who dropped after wiping in part 2. So I reset my expectations of it becoming a small shard farming run. Could see right away portal DPS was low, though we did complete 1 ok if slow. There was excited chatter about 2 (two!) vorpals that were in the chests after pt 1. Hmmm, the odds of even half bypassing DR in 4 or 5?

In pt 2 on the run to the SE it seemed that no one besides me may have had vorpals, or at best didn't feel like swinging them at anything on the way. Waiting in the SE I start swinging when I see mobs arive, but then 6 of the cats are on me all at once and I'm tripped and not seeing any mass heals and we wipe even before pulling the center. That was a first! LOL

Better a fast wipe sometimes, cut your losses and move on was my thinking.

TC
BoSS | Zest/Chantz/Gimmel...

Pretty sure I was in that run... Ugh.
The first run we had a sub-optimal group, light on beaters and a tad heavy on casters/caster splashes. Also apparently had several people with a first time shroud (or who'd been carried through their firsts by guild groups) as there was a great deal of trouble in part 2.

The Lieutenants respawned not once, not twice, but THREE times!
The casters and clerics didn't want to use the trees because "they take too long" and actually used pots to keep us hanging in there that long.
All but two or three of the melees could not follow simple instructions.
It was an all around cluster-****.

And yes, I stuck around for a second run. Was hoping to get that 20th on that character before the weekend was up.

The second run, we had nobody patrolling. The caster was disintegrating and meleeing the portals. Myself on my Tempest ranger and the TR'd ranger/monk ended up going around killing trogs after a portal keeper spawned at the 6th portal before the 5th was even 1/3rd down!
And after we went roaming, the dps on the portals slowed to a crawl.

We jumped into pt 2... and caster had absolutely no CC. One healer was back shrining and the other... I think he was lost in the maze.
Wipe.

I decided to go nurse my headache instead of continuing on the 3rd attempt.