Wow....What the hell? I guess I'm a noob now!

[Braegan]

I thought a healers blue bar is only supposed to be used for buffing and filling up others red bars. What are you thinking using crowd control.


PIXA

I guess I was being a n00b and stealing the thunder from arcanes everywhere!

[Braegan]

Saw you; wasn't that the debate on how clerics should or should not melee? Which sort of went on for about an hour or three and turned into something else entirely?

I remember some guy saying something about how clerics should reserve their spells, build points, and gear for healing rather than meleeing at all. That he prefers "healbots" because it's more mana and build-efficient and thinks battleclerics are gimped. Then it sort of went off from there... I came back an hour later to see my screen filling up with all these yellow posts on wizard/sorceror CC versus cleric/favored soul CC.

Good times, good times...? Off topic aside...

Yeah, that was the one. It was like a train wreck. I really tried to walk away, but the level of devestating false information and such made me stare in awe, point, and well comment...well maybe I did *comment* alot!

Funny thing I offered to show anyone who disbelieved what I was saying to run a quest of their chosing with me. Heck I even offered to roll a new toon up to do so, since many of the ones talking smack were on low level toons. But, like most that spout off, it's all talk and excuses as to why they can't be proven wrong.

/rant Still wish one of the loud mouths would've taken me up on that offer!

[Delt]

I joined a know-what-you-are-doing Titan the other day and was on the red side with my FVS. Of the two guys with me, one knew what he was doing(let's call him "guildie"), the other was the party 'leader' (let's call him "bob x." ).

I let guildie in the west room, to let me and bob x. move ahead (no OL on any of us). I went through...apparently alone. I told bob x. to follow. He said no, told guildie to come out, then instructed me to let them through. I explained that I couldn't, we needed the key first and that it requires two people. I was then greeted to his quivering spazzy voice over the mic, as he laid into me...."No you god **** don't. calm down...calm down..... Just PULL the ****ING LEVER NOOB!!!!".

Took a few minutes and some more swearing before bob x. figured out what was what.

People who think they know it all but don't (aka. morons) aren't dictated by their join date. These idiots existed before F2P too. And they make the DDO interesting, both ingame and the stories they inspire for the forums.

[zealous]

Radiance II weapons and a hp item
....
lightning strike and min II was the only way ANY melee class should craft including rogues.

Radiance II is kinda WAWG, only works on trash and there are other ways to get SA.

Lightning II/min II is probably the only decent weapon against DR a newb is going to have.

Depends on how many larges you have/are gaining per raid timer and if you primarily raid or quest I'd say.

[Razcar]

can someone explain to me how this crop of new players became so increadibly convinced of [insert randomly wrong thing here] that they're willing to argue it into the ground?

A little learning is a dangerous thing;
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again

-Alexander Pope

[Stonen]

Radiance II is kinda WAWG, only works on trash and there are other ways to get SA.

Lightning II/min II is probably the only decent weapon against DR a newb is going to have.

Depends on how many larges you have/are gaining per raid timer and if you primarily raid or quest I'd say.

Against raid bosses you will probably have sa anyway, because 8 other guys are smacking him at the same time. I think for a rogue radiance II is the best all round weapon.

[Emizand]

If I don't know you personally, I will shortman the quest 95% of the time.

That makes me very, very sad. We have never run together and I guess we never will. Thats a shame. I Ran on EU servers for 3 years. Moved over because of state of CM. Now it looks like I (and others in my position) shall
not be accepted into groups because I am not know and will not be given the chance to introduce myself.

Ho hum!

[Krag]

Hound/Vision/Tod, because I just have not seen a really bad group for these

Oh, how I envy you!

[KoboldTrapper]

Most people reading the builds on forums don't happen to understand that rogues work differently than most other melee's do because of what the rogue actually is. I'm not gonna start an argument since I'm almost 18 hours without sleep. I don't quite have the mental faculties to form a coherent post without serious focus, which is, at current, fading fast.

Suffice it to say that when I make a rogue up to shroud levels, I'm gonna have 4 kopesh and a longbow made. 2 min2 kopesh, 2 radiance 2 kopesh, and a lightning 2 longbow. that way I can swap weapon sets for when I need/choose to. I'm aware of the absurd number of times I'll have to run shroud, but by-god I'm gonna do whatever it takes for me to get what I need before I TR, when the time comes.

I always try to defer to the players that prove their knowledge to me.

[Gorstag]

First let me say that I am just a tad bit of a country boy. Anyway, in this particular run through vent I was asked by my guild how the run was going in part five. My response, "Sh***Y, this is like herding chickens!" Ugh, then I had to explain to my guildees what chicken herding was like....anyway. It was just a bad run.

[Judo]

First let me say that I am just a tad bit of a country boy. Anyway, in this particular run through vent I was asked by my guild how the run was going in part five. My response, "Sh***Y, this is like herding chickens!" Ugh, then I had to explain to my guildees what chicken herding was like....anyway. It was just a bad run.

And hereto forth thou shalt only be known as

Chickenkicker

Venture forth brave Chickenkicker, and smite the noobs

But in all seriousness, when i encounter a noob spouting noob directions and being rude, baselessly rude mind you, i simply kill him...its really quite easy

/wildmage
/kite
/laugh

also, its cool to kill guildies for any reason, especially if you're working off a point system based on frags

[gorloch]

Radiance II is kinda WAWG, only works on trash and there are other ways to get SA.

Lightning II/min II is probably the only decent weapon against DR a newb is going to have.

Depends on how many larges you have/are gaining per raid timer and if you primarily raid or quest I'd say.

COnsidering that about waht 80-90% of what a rogue kills is going to be trash? The radience weapon is the best weapon a rogue can have, with some sort of pure good weapon for the big bosses that we fight only a few times.


PIXA

[Blackbird]

That makes me very, very sad. We have never run together and I guess we never will. Thats a shame. I Ran on EU servers for 3 years. Moved over because of state of CM. Now it looks like I (and others in my position) shall
not be accepted into groups because I am not know and will not be given the chance to introduce myself.

Ho hum!

I'm really glad a lot of the EU players are coming over. They are usually a bit easier to spot though. They are usually in established guilds or have created guilds that indicate they are from EU. I'll group with them any day (especially the Irish ones if they will use voicechat ).

Not all the new players are bad and not all the guildtags are definitive. It's just the odds. Case in point - we were running a guild Shroud. My guild leader, let's call him a DB lets in this wizard/cleric (no, I have no idea what the point was) from a relatively decent guild. Then a level 16 cleric hits the LFM from an unknown guild. I say to bring him. He steps in says it's his 2nd time and the first time they wiped in part 4. The DB starts teasing me in guild chat for bringing this guy. So, me on my bard send the cleric a tell and ask him to stick with me and I'll teach him the quest. He does very well. He listens, sticks with me, and is a pretty good player. He thanks me in the end for helping him and not yelling at him because he doesn't know.

Now...the DB's pick. He follows us around to the portals in part 1. I ask him to help the other wizard in the party kill trogs. So....he starts putting up Disco Ball on the portals we are beating on. That's it. I must be a n00b but I didn't think that spell did any damage. This was his sole contribution in the entire raid. Maybe he was someone's kid. No clue. He didn't use voice chat.

I pointed out to the DB at the end of the run that my newb was way better than his n00b.

I have no real problem with new players and I suspect most people do not. It's just the ones who think they know it all and/or won't ask questions or listen that drive me crazy. I'm pretty patient with people but they have to give me something to work with

[Judo]

I'm really glad a lot of the EU players are coming over. They are usually a bit easier to spot though. They are usually in established guilds or have created guilds that indicate they are from EU. I'll group with them any day (especially the Irish ones if they will use voicechat ).

Not all the new players are bad and not all the guildtags are definitive. It's just the odds. Case in point - we were running a guild Shroud. My guild leader, let's call him a DB lets in this wizard/cleric (no, I have no idea what the point was) from a relatively decent guild. Then a level 16 cleric hits the LFM from an unknown guild. I say to bring him. He steps in says it's his 2nd time and the first time they wiped in part 4. The DB starts teasing me in guild chat for bringing this guy. So, me on my bard send the cleric a tell and ask him to stick with me and I'll teach him the quest. He does very well. He listens, sticks with me, and is a pretty good player. He thanks me in the end for helping him and not yelling at him because he doesn't know.

Now...the DB's pick. He follows us around to the portals in part 1. I ask him to help the other wizard in the party kill trogs. So....he starts putting up Disco Ball on the portals we are beating on. That's it. I must be a n00b but I didn't think that spell did any damage. This was his sole contribution in the entire raid. Maybe he was someone's kid. No clue. He didn't use voice chat.

I pointed out to the DB at the end of the run that my newb was way better than his n00b.

I have no real problem with new players and I suspect most people do not. It's just the ones who think they know it all and/or won't ask questions or listen that drive me crazy. I'm pretty patient with people but they have to give me something to work with

ahhh, Deliciously Badass sounds like a champ!

[Clay]

Radiance II is kinda WAWG, only works on trash and there are other ways to get SA.

Lightning II/min II is probably the only decent weapon against DR a newb is going to have.

Depends on how many larges you have/are gaining per raid timer and if you primarily raid or quest I'd say.

If you have ingredients for 1 GS on a rog and you don't make it a radiance... you are wasting a huge opportunity for you bread and butter to shine... SA. I would rather a rog with no dr beating weopon and a radiance join my group than a rog with a Min II. It IS possible to get non GS weapons to beat dr--it is NOT possible to find weapons that proc on crit that give you SA regardless of aggro.

[Geonis]

A rogue without radience2 weapons is like a massage without the happy ending.


You were right, they were morons.

Dang Lith, Best. Quote. Ever.

Can I quote this in my sig?

Please?

Oh, and +1. Edit.: Or not, need to spread it around some more before giving it up to Lith again.

[Josh]

can someone explain to me how this crop of new players became so increadibly convinced of [insert randomly wrong thing here] that they're willing to argue it into the ground? did I miss a memo or something? when I'm not sure about a topic, I usually don't come out swinging to insist that yes, the earth really is flat.

and while that particular topic hasn't yet come up, I have a feeling that if we took a poll in the f2p community, there would be a heated debate.

/sigh

Running with new players while leveling my TR has been so bad that it forced me to take a 1.5 week break from the game. It was *that* bad...

[Uhtred_Stark]

Maybe I've been lucky in that I haven't had one bad Shroud run (out of about 15, mostly ingred runs thru 4, two finishes). I'm actually kind of disappointed how easy it is - until I realize how many large items I need to put on my new tier 2 scimitar to get to tier 3. Granted, every run I've been on has been with at least half guild members and usually a couple other people I know so I'd say they are very good groups. I'm definately still in the follow along mode but know the portal pattern, can easily navigate the maze and have more than enough dps and hps to take low a red named and hold his agro, can do 3x3 puzzles and some 4x4s and know to stay behind the pit fiend and whack away. Could I lead a group? No. I wouldn't feel comfortable leading a group till I had 20 completes, but not everyone is in a situation where they have (what I consider) ideal circumstances to learn Shroud. If you don't have those and want to do the quest, what can you do but start a PUG and hope for the best?

[Tarnoc]

well let me say this...braegan you are a newb....

but back to the subject if these so uber noobs cant have a min 2 radiance lightning 2 and 3 items all cleansed wat makes them think thier not noobs?

[Ironforge_Clan]

First let me say that I am just a tad bit of a country boy. Anyway, in this particular run through vent I was asked by my guild how the run was going in part five. My response, "Sh***Y, this is like herding chickens!" Ugh, then I had to explain to my guildees what chicken herding was like....anyway. It was just a bad run.

This has become the norm for shrouds now unless it is a guild run or a run of known guilds.

On another note us non-country boys like to refer to it as herding cats so I feel your pain.