Can this work? 12Wiz/6Ftr/2Rogue

[aradelothion]

I have very little experience in the end game, so I wanted to hear from you guys if this is a viable build there. Before going any further, let me clarify the purpose of this build: I want a toolbox, that can fill the role of secondary DPSer/ Caster/ Trapmonkey /Healer (even for fleshies with UMD) -- and not be a bard -- but can still be a primary damage caster if necessary. Well, now that I think about it, kinda like a WF bard with firewalls, reconstruct, and trap skills, without the partybuffing goodness. Now I also haven't had much experience multiclassing and playing melee, so I wouldn't really know if the melee choices are optimal or not.

I'm not sure if there's a build suited to those goals already -- I'm pretty sure there is, but my searchfu is weak =/ Anyway, can this contribute meaningfully end game? Please critique.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(6 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 12 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 877 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 16
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    20
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         18                    24
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                     0
Bluff                 0                     2
Concentration         5                    23
Diplomacy             0                     1
Disable Device        8                    31
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                 -2                    -1
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  2                     5
Listen               -2                    -1
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock             3                    13
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                4                     7
Search                8                    27
Spot                  2                    11
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                0                     1
Use Magic Device      4                    27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Wizard)


Level 5 (Wizard)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 7 (Wizard)


Level 8 (Wizard)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes


Level 10 (Wizard)


Level 11 (Wizard)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Kensei Falchion Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Elements II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude II

[NeoLyt]

better somethin like monk / rog / cler or monk / rog / ranger ( with 2 rog and 6 rngr for tempest)

[Sir_Chonas]

Yeah, your build doesn't exactly optimize any of the classes. If you're playing for fun/story though, I know a few people who have been posting "spell sword" builds.

Have you considered a bard?

[aradelothion]

Yeah, your build doesn't exactly optimize any of the classes. If you're playing for fun/story though, I know a few people who have been posting "spell sword" builds.

Have you considered a bard?

Yup, as noted above... I actually have a bard already, just wanted to try something else; you're right, this is more for fun/story, but I wouldn't mind taking him to end game either Would you have any ideas how to optimize the classes (or point me in the right direction)?

Thanks

[Gadget2775]

The biggest problem I see with your build is stat distribution...14Str is a bit low for Melee damage/To-Hit especially with the number of actual caster levels you have (The Rogue splash also kicks your BaB). Additionally, the high investment in Int (which will work well for lower levels) becomes wasted once you start mixing in Fighter levels. This is especially true if you don't carry heighten which will really reduce the effectivness of lower level CC spells.

Personally I'd drop Int down to at least a 16 and throw the extra points into Str. An additional 1 or 2 to hit makes a huge difference at lower levels, and with as much BaB as this build sacrifices will probably be quite noticable at higher levels as well.

Of course this may leave you a little crunched for skill points...And I say this with reservations, you might concider droping Spot. You won't get the messages on where to search for boxes etc, but most of the traps are pretty static....

Will try to post more later....Wife agro...Says I have to go to work now

[aradelothion]

The biggest problem I see with your build is stat distribution...14Str is a bit low for Melee damage/To-Hit especially with the number of actual caster levels you have (The Rogue splash also kicks your BaB). Additionally, the high investment in Int (which will work well for lower levels) becomes wasted once you start mixing in Fighter levels. This is especially true if you don't carry heighten which will really reduce the effectivness of lower level CC spells.

Personally I'd drop Int down to at least a 16 and throw the extra points into Str. An additional 1 or 2 to hit makes a huge difference at lower levels, and with as much BaB as this build sacrifices will probably be quite noticable at higher levels as well.

Of course this may leave you a little crunched for skill points...And I say this with reservations, you might concider droping Spot. You won't get the messages on where to search for boxes etc, but most of the traps are pretty static....

Will try to post more later....Wife agro...Says I have to go to work now

Re: Spot, I actually might drop it, like you said; my primary concern for putting it in was (is) my unfamiliarity with the higher level quests. And yeah now that I think about it, starting at 18 Int was kinda overkill. Thanks for the input! Try spamming diplo

[Phidius]

With only 12 levels of wizard, you're going to have a very hard time landing spells with Spell Resistance or Saves. I'd recommend abandoning such spells, and focusing on melee with buffs and damage spells.

Lower your Int (I went with 11 base + 2 tome + 3 enhancements) to get a 16 int without an item (needed for casting 6th level spells), and use those build points to beef up your combat. You'll probably want to go TWF, as you'll need to get your Dex up high enough to get a decent reflex save.

Impaqt posted a similar build, only he went monk instead of rogue for the feats/saves.

[aradelothion]

With only 12 levels of wizard, you're going to have a very hard time landing spells with Spell Resistance or Saves. I'd recommend abandoning such spells, and focusing on melee with buffs and damage spells.

Lower your Int (I went with 11 base + 2 tome + 3 enhancements) to get a 16 int without an item (needed for casting 6th level spells), and use those build points to beef up your combat. You'll probably want to go TWF, as you'll need to get your Dex up high enough to get a decent reflex save.

Impaqt posted a similar build, only he went monk instead of rogue for the feats/saves.

Hey Phidius! Thanks for the input, much much appreciated... after some thought, I'm most likely gonna go the route you suggested in my other thread though. Posted this before your reply there, and I like the idea of going at least 17 Wiz better, though I'll look for that build of Impaqt's you mentioned.